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    Posted: 22 Nov 18 at 1:22pm
Seemed a pretty popular event last year, and it's back again.

Some great names in the line up, it will be super interesting to see who comes out on top. A shame not to see Goodison back and no Saxton.

Iain Percy (GBR) - Anders Ekström (SWE)
Šime Fantela (CRO) - Antonio Arapovic (CRO)
Robert Scheidt (BRA) - Henry Boenig (BRA)
Freddy Lööf (SWE) - Edoardo Natucci (ITA)
Mateusz Kusznierewicz (POL) - Dominik Zycki (POL)
Max Salminen (SWE) - Johan Tillander (SWE)
Paul Cayard (USA) - Arthur Lopes (BRA)
Diego Negri (ITA) - Frithjof Kleen (GER)
Pavlos Kontides (CYP) - Markus Koy (GER)
Tonci Stipanovic (CRO) - Frederico Melo (POR)
Gerogy Shayduko (RUS) - Vitalii Kushnir (UKR)
Lars Grael (BRA) - Samuel Gonçalves (BRA)
Xavier Rohart (FRA) - Pierre-Alexis Ponsot (FRA)
Jorge Zarif (BRA) - Pedro Trouche (BRA)
Ruggero Tita (ITA) - Enrico Voltolini (ITA)
Zsombor Berecz (HUN) - Michael Maier (CZE)
Kevin Peponnet (FRA) - Mark Strube (USA)
Hamish Pepper (NZL) - Steve Mitchell (GBR)
Francesco Bruni (ITA) - Nando Colaninno (ITA)
Mark Mendelblatt (USA) - Brian Fatih (USA)
Eivind Melleby (NOR) - Joshua Revkin (USA)
Geroge Szabo (USA) - Roger Cheer (CAN)
Augie Diaz (USA) - Bruno Prada (BRA)
Ondrej Teplý (CZE) - Antonis Tsotras (GRE)
Guido Gallinaro (ITA) - Kilian Weise (GER)

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I wonder what the budget is for this event?
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Originally posted by Old Timer

I wonder what the budget is for this event?


Lets be honest its all about one persons money. This group of sailors would race optimists around the cans on a gravel pit near oxford if they got paid to do it.

Its just one man trying to show the world it was nuts to axe the star from the Olympics because 'look how popular it it'
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Originally posted by salmon80

Originally posted by Old Timer

I wonder what the budget is for this event?


Lets be honest its all about one persons money. This group of sailors would race optimists around the cans on a gravel pit near oxford if they got paid to do it.

Its just one man trying to show the world it was nuts to axe the star from the Olympics because 'look how popular it it'

Yeah, I know all that but fair play to him for putting on the show. 

I just wonder how much the event budget is, must be some serious dough. 
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its a great event and I enjoyed watching the last one. Wouldnt it be even better without the rowing downwind?
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When you look at that list of sailors it shows what the Olympics is missing.

When you then add the list of (probably soon to be ex) Finn sailors its even more amazing that these guys can no longer compete (unless their fancy taking their chances in an overnight potter with the mrs)

The SSL league slightly tweeked (not a final one race winner takes all perhaps) would be great in the Olympics.

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Spot on Rich (or alternatively keep the Finn...)
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If this (effective) weight restriction had been applied to rowing neither Redgrave, Pinsent, Cracknell etc would have been able to compete
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On the other hand, a recent article in Sail-World NZ analysed the weight of Olympic and America's Cup competitors and showed that the AC is at least as unfair to light and medium-weight men as the Olympics without the Finn will be to the heavyweights. A bunch of other high-profile classes are also dominated by heavy sailors.

So if fairness and equity are the important issues, how can the heavyweight sailors complain about bias against them in the Games and yet be happy when there is bias towards them in other top line events? And, as noted before, the Finn class seems to have been quite happy to ignore the issue of equity towards light sailors for the 40 or so years when the Olympic dinghies favoured bigger blokes.

In the same vein, it seems a bit hard to complain about young Finnsters losing out on their Olympic dream when the Finn was apparently happy to sit by and watch Star, Yngling, Soling and windsurfer sailors lose their Olympic hopes. Of course, you can say the same thing about cat sailors - they complained long and loud about losing their spot in the Games but didn't seem to care when other disciplines got chucked.
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Originally posted by rich96

If this (effective) weight restriction had been applied to rowing neither Redgrave, Pinsent, Cracknell etc would have been able to compete

Yes, but many, many lightweight rowers have been unable to compete in the Games because the lightweight division is under-represented and in fact did not exist for about 100 years. So why is it wrong to throw out the heavyweights, but okay to ignore the lightweights?

Surely either there should be fairness for all weights, or people should not complain when their weight category is not catered for. To complain when one's own weight is not catered for but to be silent when other people are not catered for doesn't seem to be equitable or consistent.
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