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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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Walking around the beach looking at the Streakers at our club they all seemed to have VERY slack rigging. Now I sail a Blaze so I'm used to slack rigging but in our case its to control the interaction with the spreaders.
The Streaker doesn't have spreaders and so far as I could tell didn't even have any control at the mast gate so whats the idea?
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At our club the streakers have picked up on the technique I employ to get the Solution to run by the lee, by slackening the forestay which allows the boom to go further forward thanks to the slack shrouds, I guessed that must be why the Blaze guys did it after the nationals when the Rooster guy came and mopped up with slack shrouds.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Isn't the Solo rig similar?
I am always surprised by the amount of sag on the leeward shrouds they have. It may be to get the rig to try and act like an unstayed rig as much as possible but the deck/pot cannot handle the mast loads for the shrouds to be removed?
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Ardea ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
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I think of it as a supported unstayed rig.
The mast is stepped on the base of the hull (or the false floor if fitted) then supported at deck level which gives a basic degree of mast stiffness (similar to a laser/topper/etc.), the shrouds then further support the mast allowing it to be of a smaller section. Running slack rigging allow you to run deeper as the leward shroud goes slack allowing the sail and boom to go out further. There's a tradeoff between tighter rigging giving increased mast stiffness and upwind speed, and slacker rigging giving a more flexible mast sacrificing upwind speed, but allows you to sail deeper before the shrouds get in the way. It's a reasonable answer to the compromise of a stayed rig limiting the boom angle when going downwind. I must admit it felt really wrong the first time I sailed mine with slack rigging, but it certainly sailed much nicer. Jeffers sums it up pretty nicely, but it's not just the deck/pot strength, it also allows a smaller/lighter mast to be used.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I think Steve Cockrell probably would have mopped up with a tight rig TBH.
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Ian99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 138 |
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The idea of the rig is that the relative position of deck hole (which should be a pretty tight fit) and mast foot is used to set the rake, in a similar way to an adjustable unstayed rig in a Europe, Optimist etc.
The shrouds are then used to limit high up sideways bend in a similar way to cap shrouds, and the forestay used in conjunction with the mainsheet/kicker to get a reasonable degree of mainsail leech tension without needing to pull the boom onto the back deck laser style. However, many boats do in my opinion have the rigging set too slack for any amount of breeze. The general guidance is that the shrouds and forestay should be put in the furthest hole down you can get it into by yourself, doing the shrouds first. When done like this, the shrouds don't really flop around, but obviously are significantly less tight than a boat which has a mechanical means of tensioning the rig. Any less rig tension than this in breezy conditions, and the boat turns into a complete animal downwind, as the mast flicks around all over the place in gusts and shifts. |
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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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Thanks guys, all good stuff.
Do the class rules govern the position of the hounds?
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Don't most Solos have slack in the shrouds these days?
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PaulPoshW ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 Jun 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 32 |
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Slacks also describes the trousers worn by most Solo sailors...
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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makes sense - i think the #problem' is cognitive dissonance brought about by ever higher rig tensions etc in 2 ( or 3) sail boats ... which to some extent follows from jib luff sag prevention
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