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    Posted: 27 May 16 at 3:53pm
Bored at work, and checking boatbuilders website and came across this - Knew something was brewing.. but this is the first published news.

New Rondar 2-crew boat

The new Rondar boat can be seen at the Southampton Boat Show in early September and if you are lucky you might just see it in advance and unofficially as it completes its rig development on the water ! 

We are giving little away just yet prior to its US launch - not even its name.  It has been a long time coming but when you see it you might understand.  Very light, easily driven, surprisingly simple but highly refined and a joy to sail.  All of the lessons, technical and commercial, learnt with the pre-curser Icon have been incorporated but it is rather different as some significant changes do feature.  Unlike Icon it is now produced in 100% epoxy and the boat is stiffer and lighter still - that little we can reveal now !  We have therefore been able to raise the boom a slightly based on feedback and reduce the sail plan without an impact on performance. 

Further information on this new boat will be released in the UK following completion of the on-water development programme just prior to its introduction.

http://www.cirrusrace.com/icon

Picture of upside down hull availble via the link.
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Cripes. Sounds like it'll be a sub-950 PY.
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So it'll be a renamed MG14 then... another derivative of an NS14... why not just support the AUS class to expand into Europe rather than rehash a great box rule development class into a one design to try and line your pockets.





Edited by Jack Sparrow - 27 May 16 at 5:36pm
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Well, I think there's a strong argument that 14 feet is too short for a modern two hander. If you consider that both a finer bow and less rocker is desirable than 50s and 60s design then if you want reasonable weight carrying then you need length. If you consider the 29er, for example, you could describe the general proportions aft of say the daggerboard as being those of a 12 foot boat, but with a much longer bow. The 49er too, is very like a 14ft skiff with another two feet on the front (OK, maybe 14'6 and 18").

So it makes complete sense to graft more length onto a 50s/60s era development boat to make it into a one design from the point of view of getting an intrinsically nice hull shape that will carry the desired weight, and as a bonus it gets loads faster and better mannered as well, so its win/win.
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Originally posted by JimC

So it makes complete sense to graft more length onto a 50s/60s era development boat to make it into a one design from the point of view of getting an intrinsically nice hull shape that will carry the desired weight, and as a bonus it gets loads faster and better mannered as well, so its win/win.
Makes sense to me.
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Err, how many sails?
Presumably 2, judging by the lack of a bowsprit hole in the pic?

Looks quite wide? More righting power than the Icon?
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Originally posted by jaydub

Originally posted by JimC

So it makes complete sense to graft more length onto a 50s/60s era development boat to make it into a one design from the point of view of getting an intrinsically nice hull shape that will carry the desired weight, and as a bonus it gets loads faster and better mannered as well, so its win/win.
Makes sense to me.


I suspect that's not the optimum way to go for an OD class.
If a boat carries say 25 stone perfectly, there won't be much penalty in stacking a bit more pork on it, so the optimum weight rises.
I think one of the reasons the RS400 has worked so well is that heavy people are punished a bit by it not carrying the weight quite optimally, which offsets their extra power.
It's a matter of how heavy optimum weight is and how wide the band of weights which will be more about skill and tactics than weight.
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Hi All

Has anyone got a decent predictive spreadsheet gismo I/we could have a look at please ?  We'd like to run/check some additional number checks for the new boat ....  Prefer one that is as proven as these things can be off the water !   Best to PM me I guess ....

Many thanks  - 'Cirrus' 


Edited by Cirrus - 28 Jun 16 at 3:05pm
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Thanks to all those who have emailed spreadsheets etc so far ...... Much appreciated,
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Has the Rondar 'Icon' made an appearance at the Southampton boatshow?
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