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    Posted: 02 Sep 15 at 8:57pm


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My club in West Oxfordshire has enjoyed CASC status for several years now, including a massive discount on local authority rates (about £9k pa). Now we are faced with removal of this status, as the government has decided that to remain eligible, 50% of members have to participate (=sail) at least 12 times per year. Compliance with this is at least extremely difficult, and proving it is basically impossible.
I feel the rules have been changed unfairly as I am led to understand, and we face a challenging time financially in years to come. The RYA should be taking positive action, but I'm not sure if thyis is getting us anywhere. Many other clubs, and other sports, must also be feeling the pinch here.
Anybody got any ideas/advice/comments?


Edited by drifter - 03 Sep 15 at 1:13pm
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Stewart, let them prove that your members aren't all participating! Also there is no clear definition of what constitutes participation. If you hold working parties, coaching sessions, family weeks even duties, then who is to say that these are not participating in the running of the club?

I received an email from our local RYA bod the other day inviting myself and other committee members at my club to have a discussion regarding the new CASC rules so the RYA are certainly getting in quickly to support. Im not entirely sure what they can do given that CASC is a voluntary opt in.

My home club had a memberhip vote when CASC was first announed and opted to steer clear even though there were clearly benefits at the time. Perhaps they made the right decision?
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I agree, participation is more than racing on a Sunday.

Seems ironic that you would get the status back if you reduced membership by cutting out those that "only" participate 10 times a year.
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We have lists pinned up. If other than members use our facilities, university, scouts .....whatever they put the numbers on the list.
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run an online training / coaching session - send it out by email 12 times a year to every member you have an email address for, ask them to respond for an audit trail.... surely 50% would?

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If you have any Police officers or NHS managers in your membership they will be able to give you very good advice on how to appear to reach the required targets.....it's a fine art but eminently doable.
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Defining participation?
At my club we have allot of members who organize between them selves to sail on Wednesday afternoon etc etc. As this isn't organised by the club are they counting as not participating?

A thought?

We also have a Race Officer & Safety boat rota which includes all members and we have to do between 2 and 4 duties a year.
A Sunday duty encompasses 3 races
So If I was RO for 4 Sundays I have participated 12 times??

I like the email one mentioned above as well, surely though all you have to do is get proof of opening the email which any newsletter service does these days.
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Might be as well to read this everyone...

http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/enewsletters/theclubroom/apr15/Pages/NewCASCrulesarehere.aspx

Edited by JimC - 03 Sep 15 at 12:47pm
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I think you might find that participation is wider than you think.  Sitting on commitees and managing counts. I guess that attending working parties counts.  You could also look at the acceptable sporting activities list ... Yoga, Table Tennis, Skiing are all on the list, so how about running weekly Yoga classes, installing a table tennis club and getting any members who go on a Ski Holiday to list 6 separate days of activity.

I think that when we discussed this with the RYA they suggested taking a members survey with all the qualifying activities, to keep on file for HMRC.

The RYA have been very helpful on this matter.  Other sports notably Rugby must have a bigger problem since a huge proportion of retired rugby players default to being social members.

What would be good for the RYA to do is to put together a template to show how you might structure a club to separate the Trading activities of the club, from the Sporting activities of the club, which I suspect is  the way forward.

There are more reasons for CASC than the tax/cost benefits ... there are plenty of clubs in prime locations which might see it as a way of protecting an asset from being sold off, for the benefit of future generations.
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Originally posted by JimC

Might be as well to read this everyone...

http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/enewsletters/theclubroom/apr15/Pages/NewCASCrulesarehere.aspx

Or the July Update
http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/enewsletters/theclubroom/jul15/Pages/casc-rules-update.aspx
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