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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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There is no doubt that the advent of internet weather forecasts has badly affected the numbers travelling to open meetings. We have an open planned for tomorrow, yet the forecast is dire. Doubtless there will be many who will be planning to stay home And cut the grass, put the shelves up, ride the bike, whatever, while the club is left with an empty lake, lots of volunteers milling about and a well stocked but empty galley.
At what point, and in what way, will clubs strike back? Will we see more and more 'enter in advance' meetings, with the clubs charging entry in advance, or perhaps a non return able deposit, or will fewer clubs choose to run opens? Or will there be more of the bigger, multi class and handicap events such as the Sailjuice series? We are so short of time these days, plus travel costs have escalated, what long term effect is this going to have?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Remind me what we get to do.. Spend all day on the fecking water, back to back racing no lunch, get timed out if we're not up to the hotshots speed, no chance to make a repair between races ?
Or go to some event wall to wall jockeys with crispy sails and a crap handicap system? Future? You have no future unless things change.. Edited by iGRF - 11 Jul 14 at 6:14pm |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Why can't you bumble round at the back with the other bumble round at the backers? I have never seen an open only made up of tooth gritted hot shotters.
My whole dinghy sailing career has been spent at the back where you meet a much nicer class of sailor. Get a grip young Fuller and know your place!
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I dunno, is it really any different to deciding whether to travel or not based on the forecast on the BBC? I wonder if we're blaming the wrong thing? Its been a pretty dreadful summer weather wise.
The thing about running Opens is that they are the best (or worst) advertising your club can get, depending on how the club comes across. I don't think my club has run an open without a lunch break or imposed a time limit at an Open since I've been there. Sure we finish people a lap early if needed, and we've even been known to catch a straggler half way up the beat and ask them if they want to accept last place and turn round now for the next race, but never a time limit. And yes, we do sometimes fit in 5 races and a lunch break in a day, although 4 is more common. Edited by JimC - 11 Jul 14 at 7:06pm |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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Opens tend to be class events so the handicap is entirely irrelevant. Stop banging on about it. Being timed out is a bad thing. We offer straggler(s) a finish. They've made the effort to travel, they should be made welcome. Back to back is a necessity in some places - take some sustenance and fluids afloat. Plenty time for beer and chat after racing.
To answer the original question, advance fees or non-returnable deposits will put more people off. You just have to ensure you put on a damn good event whatever the weather.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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An open to all comers with no prior communications with a few key classes is pretty much a lottery. Recently we have had some nice meetings by building a liaison with a few niche classes. They give us a notice of intent and in turn they know we are expecting them and are prepared to run the event with their preferences in mind. Two or three class starts plus an allcomers.
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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I would turn up for the food at Hunts and the welcome.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I know my place, it's sauntering up the slipway after the race, to be greeted by a <insert relevant sponsor> girl offering me a beer and would I like it here or should she bring it to my table in the marquee.. Then after one or two cool refreshing glasses we re run the race as it should have turned out whilst explaining life to the sponsor girls and their future in it. ![]() |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Well, I have that now! Every Wednesday night a group of bikini clad young women pack my boat away while I spray champagne.
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Nessa it is a worrying trend. One of the things I like about the 300s and the 2000s is spending time with teh other sailors, including when we can't race. But with an 8 and a 6 year old time on the water with or without them is precious. The thing I really can't stand is turning up at an Open and finding a club not running racing when it could do (wind too light or too strong).
I do think that new style and more accurate forecasts are a factor.....people have lost the 'field of dreams' view that if we come they will put on a race! But I've also had some great events when I've travelled more in hope than expectation and the forecast has been better than expected. It's also been really interesting watching the change in attitude to Opens from clubs. We risk an insularity that has never been part of the UK dinghy scene. One of the very bestthings is sailing in new places with new people. I would miss it if it were gone. In some ways dinghy opens do the same thing for me as cruising yachting in remote places, only with a competitive and sociable edge to it.
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