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    Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 1:35pm
Prompted by the picture of Bootscooter's lad on the photo page sailing a D1, it made me think whether it is ever possible to have a comfortable hiker.

The D1 looked from the outset to be designed to be comfortable with nicely shaped and high wings to sit on. Early photos seemed to show the wings matching sailors legs well. What Bootscooter's lad (sorry don't know his name) shows is that in the pursuit of leverage, he is now hiking hard like any dinghy therefore losing all that comfort. Same with the Solo I had, to hike to be competitive was painful.

Now I've probably gone soft as an average middle aged sailor, but one thing that I really don't enjoy is hiking hard. As much as I try to use the proper technique the reality is that you have to be super fit to maintain it for a full race, so I gradually end up in bad position with the consequent pain and potential long term damage.

Do we need to find a way to limit how hard you can hike? Should we try and help those that are not super-fit, from not getting damaged (Yellowwelly,me etc....)? How about some restraining bars as used on the Cork 1720, SB20(ex SB3)? What current dinghy design could they be added to?

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Or how about we just let competitive sports reward those who are fitter, train harder, etc?
 
Have you considered a 2.4m?
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My damage occurred when I was a fit 15-17 year old- fortunately technique is part of the core training thesedays.   

Now I'm older, less fit and rely on perching....  the simple solution, have a snickers downwind and take a rest... (rules out hiking kite boats), then momentarily give it some salad upwind or when someone's covering you, ('pie' them upwind), until such time as the pain is ruining the enjoyment of the sailing experience itself, then give up on the result... f*ck it, it's not worth worry about.


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Originally posted by rb_stretch

it made me think whether it is ever possible to have a comfortable hiker.



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There are lots of immensely comfortable hikers, the Finn being one of them. The problem lies in the fact that hiking 'properly' (to gain advantage from leverage using your body weight) is inherently uncomfortable. Not much you can do about that, just train the muscles you are going to use for this uncomfortable feat so that they don't hurt as much or cramp up so soon. No way round it. If you aren't going to hike for much more than 100yds up the first beat the question should be 'which boat is most comfortable to perch upon'  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rb_stretch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by GarethT

Or how about we just let competitive sports reward those who are fitter, train harder, etc?
 
Have you considered a 2.4m?


More about reducing the damage to those who are not super-fit...

2.4m? I'm 1.98m tall, would I even fit?

Joking aside I used to be a keelboat owner/sailor, but young family means not enough time/money to do that anymore. If it wasn't for boats like the Phantom (or Finn if it was sailed locally) I would not be a sailor at all.

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Originally posted by boatshed

Originally posted by rb_stretch

it made me think whether it is ever possible to have a comfortable hiker.



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Tried one and no different to any other dinghy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SUGmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 1:50pm
As an ex phantom sailor I can say absolutely categorically the most comfortable singlehander I ever sailed was the megabyte.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 1:53pm
Didn't we have a thread similar to this before?

There are boats than ban hiking - the Foxer is one - but maybe it would be something that a keel boat like the K1 could have done and still offered a good performance.
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the megabyte is super comfy, but so is the D One.  Not everyone hikes like Cameron.  Perching is both acceptable and effective.
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