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    Posted: 24 Feb 13 at 10:51am
I was wondering if anyone has used any of the Android Apps for their dinghy starts.  I have an old android phone that broke its aerial so it is no use as an actual phone but is still perfectly usable as a mobile computer  device...  Just needs a waterproof case which I can get for <£20

I'm on my third sailing watch and am frankly unimpressed by any of them!

I like the Novasail that often advertises on the left.  Looks like a suped up Tactic Compass in terms of functionality.

So several questions:

1. If a class doesn't exclude them are electronic aids like this race legal or do they need included in class rules specifically? (Using GPS, clock and compass basically. Not using the phone signal I know the rules on mobiles). My class rules don't even mention a compass.
2. Anyone got thoughts on the best apps?
 - I've found Sailing Tactitian Free (looks OK, shame it only lets you have 3 bouys).  Start timer, start line using GPS, next mark, and tacking compass. Colour coded background.
- SailRacer.net.  Start time, start line, lots of marks (good for club round the cans). No tacking compass.
- The final count down - think the clock is too small
- Yacht - Nice big screen.  Colour coded background. Start line. Speaks time instead of bleep (doubt i'd hear the words clearly on boat?) Doesn't remember default count down (my club uses 4mins not 4 mins)

3. If no use as a race tool, any use for training to learn where I go wrong?

4. What about battery drains?  Will I get a full day sailing on a phone charge, bearing in mind I'll need to disable screen lock etc as the waterproof case will block access to power button!

5. Where best to mount it?  Mast? Bouyancy Aid, Centreboard case, etc?

My observations of why I don't like the three race watches I've tried:

Optimum Time OS 1 series:
Not bad - this one still works I think!  Issue is the sync feature is hard to press as its a side button.

Optimum Time OS 2 series:
Sync button on top.  Actually was OK.  But leaked.

Optimum Time OS 5 series:
This had SO much potential to be great.  But is abysmal.  Its died - new battery brings it to life for a day or 2 at most.
If you go into race timer mode and are waiting for the warning signal if you wait more than about a minute it goes back to normal clock.  Gun goes, you press start and it doesn't start.
Comes with a clip to attach to boat.  Broke off on 3rd tack in first race.  Watch is waterproof and does float!

One of the OS1 and OS2 has very sticky buttons.

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Let us know how you get on, but I doubt you'll find the GPS or compass accurate enough to be very useful on the startline or to spot windshifts.
If power is a problem, you could put an external supply in the box, USB is just 5V, a regulator from a few NiMh cells should be easy to do or you might find somrthing on eBay?
Personally I am very happy with a tacktick compass and a casio £15 watch.
Mrs Crew has an optimum time watch which has worked fine for some years now.

I go sailing to get away from electronics and software.
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I used to have a big yellow optimum watch. But the puck fell out. Was otherwise an excellent timepiece. I then tried several of the smaller optumum watches which are not cheap. They either broke or I had battery issues. I was not the only one in my club to have theses issues. Some have sent them back. I have gone back to the tried and tested Casio route. With the tac tic when sailing in open water. The only issue with the Casio is getting the strap over winter gear.
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Thats the impression I've had - the orginal big yellow is good.  The others seem poorly designed by someone who's never sailed a dinghy!

Are your casio's doing a count down or are you just hitting go and starting on the 5 minute?  there is an advantage to the bleeps in the last 10 seconds as you don't really want to be looking at the watch...

Waterproof case ordered.

Season starts for us in 2-3 weeks - will post some feedback.  Hope my potential transgression of class rules wont start a 55 sailnumber type debarkle!

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Casio one has fully functional sailing timer. Just doesn't have the synch button.
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Originally posted by polc1410

Thats the impression I've had - the orginal big yellow is good.  The others seem poorly designed by someone who's never sailed a dinghy!

Are your casio's doing a count down or are you just hitting go and starting on the 5 minute?  there is an advantage to the bleeps in the last 10 seconds as you don't really want to be looking at the watch...

Waterproof case ordered.

Season starts for us in 2-3 weeks - will post some feedback.  Hope my potential transgression of class rules wont start a 55 sailnumber type debarkle!


TBH I've been just looking at the seconds on the Casio for years, I can judge nearly as well looking at the time ticking up towards 11:01:23 or whenever the start is, as with a countdown timer. For big events I sync the seconds with the first gun of the day, or a gps.
The crew uses the OT watch, stops me being a minute out.
I'm not great at starts, but watches are not my problem.
The OT we have is a small blue one, it's been fine, I would replace it with the same.
Having the wife/crew to read it for you is good too!
The tactick will of course do the 5-4-1-go thing for you.

Personally i don't want beeping in the last ten seconds, I normally know I've cocked it by then!
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Originally posted by andymck

Casio one has fully functional sailing timer. Just doesn't have the synch button.
 
On my fifth Casio now wish they would make the straps stronger.
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I went through about 5 Optimum time watches before I eventually settled for my money back.
If I wore a fleece, when I took it off - the static electicity would effect the watch - usually making the screen go blank, or freeze. They said they had never heard of this before. Is it just me that is fizzing with super high static that only effects Optimum time watches? 
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I'm not great at starts, but watches are not my problem.
Me neither and I suspect 6 times out of 10 its nothing to do with the watch.  But 4 times out of 10 we simply end up having to judge the start from other boats because we've forgotten the watch(!!), it doesn't start/stops out of the blue etc.


Having the wife/crew to read it for you is good too!

we usually gount 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, and either its obvious we are a mile out and counting not necessary or we are deseperately trying to hit the breaks and we may then count every second towards the end in that hop we aren't over.  I guess one of the advantages of the GPS knowing the startline will be we might at least know if we are OCS as I suspect we get over cautious and go back, esepcially for club house starts where you just get booted rather than tooted!

The tactick will of course do the 5-4-1-go thing for you.

Think my tight scottish ness is really trying to create a tactic from my old broken phone!

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Originally posted by Windermere Drifter

I went through about 5 Optimum time watches before I eventually settled for my money back.
If I wore a fleece, when I took it off - the static electicity would effect the watch - usually making the screen go blank, or freeze. They said they had never heard of this before. Is it just me that is fizzing with super high static that only effects Optimum time watches? 

Intriguing.  I seem to be quite highly charged - frequently fry myself on metal handrails in shops etc.  Drysuit has a fleecy inner...

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