cut of your jib

   Its long time since I last bought sails, but I notice that there is quite a large proportion of makers cutting radial sails, in line with the more widespread use of laminate cloths. 
Is there any advantage/disadvantage in laminate radial cut jibs versus dacron cross cut jibs for small boats. The miracle I have at the moment only has quite a small area and I am thinking that a dacron  crosscut jib might be better option, due to its inherent overall ruggedness. 

The radial designs I have seen do look snappy though....

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sawman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205	Post Options Post Reply Quote sawman Report Post Quote Reply Topic: cut of your jib Posted: 05 Jan 13 at 4:53pm
	Its long time since I last bought sails, but I notice that there is quite a large proportion of makers cutting radial sails, in line with the more widespread use of laminate cloths. Is there any advantage/disadvantage in laminate radial cut jibs versus dacron cross cut jibs for small boats. The miracle I have at the moment only has quite a small area and I am thinking that a dacron crosscut jib might be better option, due to its inherent overall ruggedness. The radial designs I have seen do look snappy though....

SoggyBadger Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552	Post Options Post Reply Quote SoggyBadger Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jan 13 at 5:18pm
	Dacron outlasts laminates by quite a way on jibs. Miracle class rules don't allow laminates sails anyway.
	Best wishes from deep in the woods SB

sawman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205	Post Options Post Reply Quote sawman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jan 13 at 5:35pm
	Ah you are right, I was thinking of the polyant type of cloth versus the more traditional dacron construction

Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jan 13 at 9:11pm
	Polyant - at least the stuff Iv'e seen - is very stiff, i think it'd be a bit hard to read.

SoggyBadger Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552	Post Options Post Reply Quote SoggyBadger Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jan 13 at 10:53pm
	"Polyant" - I assume you mean one of the myriad of cloths made by Dimension Polyant. They make absolutely top-notch cloths. My advise though is leave stuff like that to your sailmaker. Tell them what's most important to use (e.g, performance, cost or longevity) and leave details like cloth selection and panel layout to them.
	Best wishes from deep in the woods SB

Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 13 at 8:46am
	There is - or was - a woven coth called polyant it was popular in ents and albacores. The ent sails used to go a horrible dark blue after a few months. I've not seen a sail made of it for quite some time. If the OP is indeed referring to Dimension Polyant then they are indeed top notch cloths :)

sawman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205	Post Options Post Reply Quote sawman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 13 at 9:50am
	thanks for that. I have memories of polyant in ents in the late 80' which was pretty dreadful stuff - didnt seem to suit jibs at all. if the new stuff is not the same as this, I'm good...

Graham T Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 09 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote Graham T Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 13 at 11:27am
	I ended up with a Radial cut main and a cross cut jib when I last bought new Miracle sails from Tim Rush - he had a radial pattern for the jib but reckoned the stitching on such a small sail would not be good for the airflow over it. Seems to work for me.
	Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang" Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit" Miracle 1358 "Thumper"

Mrs G Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 06 Jan 13 Location: Hawkinge Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mrs G Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 13 at 7:21pm
	Hi There I am a crew in a miracle and I think you need to get out there on the circuit and get a good look at the different jibs available and the sailmakers that are around e.g. I know that over the past 10 years that I have been on the circuit I have only seen Tim Rush in a Miracle twice... We used to have a cross cut jib but I feel the part radial cut that we now have is fantastic, it sets a lot better, is more readable and is made by the sailmaker that was recomended by the class measurer for the new jib sheeting rules. (The class measurer currently uses these sails as well and there were at least 4 in the top 10 at Nationals) I would suggest you get yourself on the Miracle Forum and ask around with what people recomend for a Miracle from people who sail a miracle?
	Miralce 3692 when not busy being a mummy.

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jan 13 at 7:48pm
	I was going to add to this there's a lad down our lake club, makes pretty damn quick Miracle sails under the brand Gibson sails, he posts on here sometimes, I'll bet he knows, not that if I were him I'd be broadcasting my sailmaking secrets to all and sundry online, but google Gibson Sails. He's the reason those bloody things go so stupidly fast for a boat with a handicap of 1194 or whatever it is, and I know they've changed something recently to do with the jib, I heard them all clustered round this clunky old munter of a boat that litters up the lake going into paroxysms of joy about a cleat moving half an inch or something - they're not all there Miracle Sailors.. Edited by iGRF - 06 Jan 13 at 7:49pm