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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: Farr 3.7Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 12:28am |
Fair enough and I didn't buy it to sail on said lake, I have sailed it on the sea for the last 9 years and it's been great (I'm not young/fit/talented enough to sail an I14 or 49er). I don't expect to win races in the Spice but it would be nice to have a realistic handicap..... Maybe the newly acquired Blaze Fire will be a better option (but I'm keeping the Spice for two up sailing)
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Rupert
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 8:12am |
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Sam, your club should be basing your handicap off what they have seen, and comparing it to results you get in other boats, as much as they do an ancient manufacturer's number. That might have been a good place to start, but once it was shown to be wrong, changes needed to happen.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 8:17am |
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I'm assuming your club is running can bashing not windward / leewards, therefore if you are sailing a boat that is ultimately not suited neither the location nor the race format, then the only place to redress your handicap woes is at the club committee- it's not really the RYA's or even FLipFLop International''s fault- they certainly didn't target 70 acre lakes as the core market when I got my test sail in one. (Preferred the ISO btw)
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 9:25am |
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Also fair enough,
 L&LSC do adjust PNs to suit. TBH I'm not too worried as I will probably only race the Spice the odd weekend so results are not too important to me (Blaze for that hopefully). We do give the Assys a WL course (they sail between the first and last marks of the RTC course) and interestingly, there was a new(ish) 2000 sailing with the non-assy handicap fleet, singlehanded and without the kite, the RC scored him off 1101 the normal PN (I suppose add a few points for no kite and take 'em off again 'cos he was singlehanding).
I'm sure they will but I'm new to the club (well, a returnee some 50 years since I was last a member) so it will be a while before a sensible adjustment could be made. It would be nice to have something a little more achievable when I race on the sea though. I was advised to go for an ISO when I was researching what to buy but the twin wires were too big of an attraction. Spice, like the Blaze and 3.7 (didyaseewhatIdidthere) is a niche class, I can't think of anything else that does what each does. Obviously the niche for the Spice was a very small one, Blaze suits a larger section of the sailing population. The jury is still out on the Farr in the UK but AFAIK it's the only trap singlehander that suits lightweights and doesn't demand a couple of years swimming before being able to sail it. Great looking boat.
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 10:03am |
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gordon1277
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 12:57pm |
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Hi Jack
I am impressed he can hold the main so near to the centre line compared to me in the Phantom. Nice amount of twist though, using a drone (I assume)like that to look at your rig when sailing really must give sail makers a chance to see any changes they want to make. Flappy foot I hate it when a sail does that it seems to shake the whole rig. Now is the drone called skippy so when he cocks up it can go and get help as well 
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 1:31pm |
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Alas not me sailing. But yep a nicely set up rig. NZ have very refined rig set up which most people building in the UK are utilising. C-Tech and Norths. Myles has a Fyfe sail, which is a bit flatter. I would ask Skippy to show me which way to go up the beat.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 1:37pm |
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Nice video. There isn't much wind though (beautiful day to me sailing mind you, next time I'm sailing on a grey Irish sea I'll shut my eyes and imagine I'm in NZ) so the fixed bridle mainsheet arrangement makes centring the boom fairly easy. I'm not sure what you have on the Phantom Gordon but I have a similar system to that 3.7 on the Spice and the leeward bridle goes slack so the pull is from the windward kick bar until the boom is nearly central and the mainsheet is pulling down rather than in. This video shows it a bit more clearly :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMsD_bbtGk Theres a bit more wind too so he's sailing with the boom more over the quarter, sailing a little freer too (see at 3:35) and with less leech tension than in the other video but that would be a good tactic for best VMG in the extra breeze. Nice
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gordon1277
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 1:42pm |
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Hi Sam
I can adjust my bridle to make it centre line but its not fast, you want it over the quater in the Phantom, I imagine the blaze is the same. I think it must be the twist allowing him to do that. Plus it looks very flat water. Even in that amount of breeze the solent would normally have short chop. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 16 Nov 16 at 1:50pm |
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It looks to me like he's going for hight rather than speed in the first video. In the Spice I use leech tension to control the power when we are powered up and twin wiring (on the few occasions when I get to sail with a sufficiently confident crew that is). The boom is centred and the leech tension is controlled with the mainsheet. With no other Spices to sail against it's hard to tell if it's fast or not but it's the best I can do. The Blaze is much happier with the boom over the quarter (based on how everybody else sails them and a couple of hours in light airs last Sunday).
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