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    Posted: 11 May 22 at 7:23pm
Spot on Jim.

In general affluence breeds laziness. Yes an old fashioned view but hey ho there y'go not everyone will agree.

Pay and play with no commitment, how is that an answer for money stressed; it's not, it is an outdated legacy of living on tick.

Deliveroo, JustEat,,,,,,,,, get your act together and save money. 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 7:33pm
I have seen no evidence that amateur run clubs will survive once the over sixties have gone. Sailing will be run and staffed by todays SI's and DI's, overseen either by local authorities or companies.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 7:39pm
And in an increasing culture where one can sue for stubbing their toe, or being wrong-pronouned whilst being rescued after a capsize, a certain level of professional H&S is inevitable
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 8:08pm
Adults only amateur club would substantially reduce paper work, no buildings or possessions, would remove insurance mitigation, rock up in a group and run races, safety is the responsibility of nearest boats to the incident. Would work really well, for that group but would do nothing for sailing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 8:16pm
Who's that bloke on here who signs off "Happily living in the past" ?
From what I'm reading, the past offers a more healthy future than the rabbit hole I see from my perspective. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 8:38pm
 I think some consolidation of clubs is inevitable over the next ten years as the wave of the boomer sailors of the 60’s and 70’s work through.  I don’t think that there is any one model that will lead the way.  I suspect that the clubs that support and are supported by a local community are the most likely to survive … I work along the south coast and can point to several clubs that appear to be doing ok, judging by their Wednesday night turnouts, and are firmly embedded in “sailing towns” … Warsash, Lymington and Salcombe stand out.  Rather reassuringly there were four new younger pairings sailing in our Wednesday evening race tonight, so maybe fears of the demise of club racing are premature
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 9:06pm
I got news for the naysayers…
1. the sky isn’t falling in
2. Pay and play equals easy come, easy go.  It is hard to plan anything even medium term when your customers can been gone in the morning.
3. Sailing is rare in being multi-generational, outdoors, green and doesn’t have many direct alternatives. It won’t appeal to everyone, but it appeals strongly to those it does appeal to.
4.  Today’s over 60s will be replaced by the next generation.  That’s how life works.  At any rate the average age of our committee is probably mid 40s. 


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Statistics point to imminent demise of amateur sports. Substantial majority of professional staff and skilled trades people are over fifty, in ten years this country is going to be in dire straits, we will be reduced to economic level of semi industrial countries, its that bad.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 22 at 9:19pm
Although I didn't sail until middle age my town living school mates were going to this Club. It has been going since 1907 so will have gone through several flushes of enthusiasm and appears to be going full bore to this day. 

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Originally posted by JimC


In many ways it would be going back to competitive sailing as it existed before WW2, even WW1 when gentleman (and some ladies) had their expensive clubs in Cowes or on the Thames, and the only working people who sailed were fishermen and the like who crewed on millionaires yachts in the summer.

One could say that much of the sailing industry and World Sailing are driving the sport in that direction anyway. When one reads the sailing press of late 1800s to 1930s it appears to be quite similar to the sailing press of the 2020s in its concentration on the most expensive and elitist part of the sailing scene, and in the way it largely ignores local or cheap classes. The sailing authority decisions also concentrated largely on the elite, just as they do today.

It's a vast contrast to the situation in the sport's later growth periods, when at least some parts of the industry promoted classes like Snipes, or the real boomtime with its concentration on classes like Holt designs and cruiser/racers, rather than boats that almost no one can afford.

It's a long way from dinghy sailing, but the fact that in the '60s boomtime the New York Yacht Club thought that the America's Cup was too elitist because a winning campaign cost $800,000 (about $7 million in today's values) says a lot about how enormously our standards have changed.

To me one of the weirdest things is that no one today seems to use data to see what is succeeding and what is failing in the promotion of our sport, so bull***t reigns.

I'm lucky, our local club is booming as is my main class, but the overall situation is pretty poor.


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