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    Posted: 16 May 18 at 10:38am
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Can we not use the term 3rd world now? When did this become so and who decides these things?

Hadron sailors in the Cotswolds it seems.

It might be a bit old fashioned, maybe colonial, and I wouldn't use it in business when discussing emerging markets (euphemism for corporate imperialism in some circles), but I personally wouldn't define it or anyone who uses it as a racist.  

Simple test - you travel to a country that is not your home - would you use that term? If you cant understand that someone from a "3rd World Country" might be offended then there is probably no point in us continuing to discuss the topic and I should leave you all to go read your copies of the Daily Mail and mumble into your beards about Johnny Foreigner coming over here and stealing our jobs.
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So, that would also dictate that my frequent use of the self deprecating term '1st world problem' I aim at SWMBO to avoid tasks I deem irrelevant to the given moment must also be racist.. Dear dear I must learn to keep up, is there an instruction manual? PC for unreconstructed dinosaurs?

Edit.. so what does the panel feel about the term 'Gammon' and it's obvious application to the Finn class association?

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Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by L123456

Can we not use the term 3rd world now? When did this become so and who decides these things?

Hadron sailors in the Cotswolds it seems.

It might be a bit old fashioned, maybe colonial, and I wouldn't use it in business when discussing emerging markets (euphemism for corporate imperialism in some circles), but I personally wouldn't define it or anyone who uses it as a racist.  

Simple test - you travel to a country that is not your home - would you use that term? If you cant understand that someone from a "3rd World Country" might be offended then there is probably no point in us continuing to discuss the topic and I should leave you all to go read your copies of the Daily Mail and mumble into your beards about Johnny Foreigner coming over here and stealing our jobs.

I guess it depends on whether it's one those places that David Cameron & Nick Clegg pledged to spend 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid?   Personally I take no racial connotation with the term "3rd World" and frankly there are parts of the UK I would define as nothing short of it... have you even been to Rhyl?  
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is there an instruction manual? PC for unreconstructed dinosaurs?

Of course not. The publishing cycle would be too short, and besides, how could the PC look down on the unPC if PC language was formally documented and anything but a continually moving target...
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Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by L123456

Can we not use the term 3rd world now? When did this become so and who decides these things?

Hadron sailors in the Cotswolds it seems.

It might be a bit old fashioned, maybe colonial, and I wouldn't use it in business when discussing emerging markets (euphemism for corporate imperialism in some circles), but I personally wouldn't define it or anyone who uses it as a racist.  

Simple test - you travel to a country that is not your home - would you use that term? If you cant understand that someone from a "3rd World Country" might be offended then there is probably no point in us continuing to discuss the topic and I should leave you all to go read your copies of the Daily Mail and mumble into your beards about Johnny Foreigner coming over here and stealing our jobs.

That seems a very extreme view to take; I think you must be an extremest ...

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Rhyl, that's in Wales, never, north too, full of scousers, forget about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 18 at 12:05pm
rumour on SA thread suggests the Europe Class will get the Cillet Bang treatment....

I guess it would accompany the Finn quite well as a bit of a museum side show act.
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With respect, I think you may have got your history a bit muddled here. I believe the term ‘third world’, or rather ‘le tiers monde’, was first coined by the French economic geographer Alfred Sauvy in 1952 in a gesture of solidarity with those countries that had recently achieved or were still in the process of achieving their independence from the European colonial powers. Sauvy was drawing an analogy between the third world and the third estate, or ‘le tiers état’, that is to say all those who, under the French ancien régime, being neither clergy nor nobility, had few or no rights or privileges. At the time of the Revolution of 1789, winning equal rights for the third estate was a key political goal, as expressed, for example, in the Abbé Sièyes’s famous 1789 pamphlet, Qu’est-ce que le tiers état? Implicit in the term ‘third world’ was hence the notion that, like the third estate in 1789, the countries concerned were being unjustly deprived of equal rights. As a result, through the 1960s and 1970s various left-wing anti-imperialist and anti-racist movements emerged which were often categorised as ‘tiers-mondiste’ or third-worldist. Forum readers may remember the 1970s Jamaican reggae band, Third World, whose name was surely an expression of their commitment to those tiers-mondiste ideals, in their case a kind of anti-racist pan-Africanism rooted in their Rastafarianism.

It’s true that the term fell into disrepute thereafter, I believe because it projected a questionable uniformity onto the wide variety of countries in question, while implying they were all characterised by an inherent inferiority in comparison to the so-called ‘first world’. Nonetheless, it is surely unfair of H2 to imply there is any equivalence between the term ‘third world’ and a blatantly racist slur like ‘darkies’. To claim any such equivalence is to risk overlooking the close association between the term ‘third world’ and the history of radical anti-racist and anti-imperialist movements in the C20th.
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JL,
correct, I have muddled Cold War up with 1st World war, 1st World = USA UK and allies, 2nd World = USSR, China etc, 3rd World = Non-aligned countries.

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Originally posted by 423zero

JL,
correct, I have muddled Cold War up with 1st World war, 1st World = USA UK and allies, 2nd World = USSR, China etc, 3rd World = Non-aligned countries.


and to muddy the waters further I was taught in school that the 3rd world was also known as the developing world. Referral in the news at the time to 3rd world countries was very common.

Anyway....have we not drifted so far off topic we are almost back on it?
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