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    Posted: 05 Jul 17 at 5:34pm
iGRF,
With you 100%, my sentiments exactly, I could have written that post, well done.
I hope someday a leaderless system for running club committees will be found.
I also believe it should be written into English common law that proxy votes are illegal.
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Apart from the fact you can't write something into 'Common Law' I agree entirely with you both. And I was Chairman of a Windsurfing club (which never admitted to being a 'racing club' despite having regular racing for many years, a World Champion, two Olympic contenders and was Champion Club several times and never out of the top three......) for 13 years. Before that I was Race Committee Chairman (often on a committee of one) for several years.
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I would like to add, I am not a committee member, never have been, will not be a rubber stamp to an unassailable power.


Perhaps the Magna Charta then 😉 or the Bayeaux tapestry, something important

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Problem with discouraging, or - worse - banning, all those who keep their boats in the dinghy park, and pay their subs, but don't use the facilities is that they are subsidising those of us who do use the facilities. Do you want to see your fees rise? And how do you 'enforce' participation? Where is the line drawn? How are illness, work, family committments, etc. allowed for?
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He has a point.....
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have had to write an open letter of complaint to my club committee, regarding members not doing duties and helping with club stuff, launch and recover safety boats, clean jetty etc.
Saturday due to various reasons, I found myself only club member who knew what needed doing at end of day. trying to describe problems I had getting help without swearing  LOL no one wanted to help, they had boats to put away.
I would like a quote I can put on notice board, something along the lines of "safety is the responsibility of everone" we are all members, no one gets paid.


Perhaps you should look to JFK for your motto.....

"My fellow members, ask not what your club can do for you, ask what you can do for your club"   
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Noah,
This is not a black and white issue. 

we have one member ? (p**s taker), who has 13 boats, 5 inside, rest outside, in last 12 months he has been twice, both times to do his duty, safety boat only, not learned to be RO. fully paid up.

Solo, beautiful wooden Solo, indoor storage, not been to club for 8 years, gives his proxy vote. Fully paid up.

Their are more examples like this, including boats in repair bays that are still in primer after several years, this is expensive, again fully paid up.
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For my curiosity; what's your beef with people who pay the required dues and do the obligatory duties but don't sail?

Is your Club at capacity and these people are preventing new more active members from joining?

How are your fees and storage entitlements structured? 13 boats on site?!?!



 
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Do Different,
Using extreme of 13 boats.
When doing a boat park clean up all boats have to be moved, owners generally do own bay and share cleaning of communal areas, 8 boats and relevant bays have to be treated as a communal area or left a mess.
Indoor storage similar to outside, plus occasional service items, such as changing bulbs, entire back half of store abandoned but paid for boats, they have to be occasionally moved.
Fee structure, every boat must be paid for, £25 boat park, £35 indoor, £95 repair bay (indoors) 
I would charge repair bays by the month.
Their are probably other issues, just imagine 30 paid for boats, owners never visit, then think of all jobs that need doing at the average club, I know most clubs haven't got indoor storage.
The club storage is at full capacity, we have had to stack some of the more dilapidated but paid for boats.
This however is not my main grouse, my main grouse is their gift of proxy.
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