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    Posted: 03 Sep 14 at 11:39am
RS keep some stock, assuming you are not ordering the next new thing, in which case, a waiting list serves well to keep the hype alive.

As for Solos- they are available in white, off the shelf from P&B and Sailboats.  If you cut them out the supply chain and go direct to builder, expect to wait a bit to fit in with the standing orders.  I believe P&B also have a Phantom in stock currently, although I waited 8 weeks for mine due to the orderly queue formed at Ovingtons a few years back, they're less popular now perhaps.

Lasers are available off the shop floor in Northhampton- and in Costco southampton certain times of year for £2500... bargain.

I'm not sure on Devoti- I assume built to order, a Finn is so custom specific anyway.  The D-Zero has a nice lead-time nowadays too.

As for buying cars, trying factory ordering an Audi- they'll do everything they can to dissuade you and buy from UK stocks.  Same with BMW last time I tried to get one.  In the end I gave up and bought an ex-demonstrator... which is exactly what they want you to do.  
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So they are available - at least popular classes are - and I don't expect they are popular because they can be bought off the shelf, I suspect it is the other way round. I'm not surprised it isn't the builders selling them direct, as it rarely is in any other business, and makes sense, especially if the boats are being imported. What I'd hope for the Aero and Dzero is that once the initial orders have been fulfilled, they would be off the shelf too, unless you want it in lilac.

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No-one wants cash tied up in stock, that's why you have to wait.
It's a very low volume market.

Cars are different. To be that cheap, they are mass manufactured on a continuous basis. 

Be interesting to speculate on how much, say, a D-zero would cost if sales were as high as a Ford Focus......
No more than a few hundred pounds I'd guess!
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Originally posted by pondlife1736

No-one wants cash tied up in stock, that's why you have to wait.

And they lose business as a result.  Nearly every single person I have sold one of my year/year and half old boats to was going to buy a new one, but the lead-time they've been quoted has enabled me to sell reasonably quickly, usually at a rate of depreciation I have been more than happy with.... the industry loses another 'new boat' sale and the tax man another 20% of whatever that would have cost.  

Had I have played so fast and loose with cars or high end computing gaming equipment, then I would be a lot worse off for sure!
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That would never  work for me. I'm rubbish at looking after boats (or anything really) so I'd have to keep it for at least 10 years to amortise all the damage I'd done in the first few weeks of owning it!
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lol- don't forget Uncle Noble.... he is very kind in such situations.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by pondlife1736

No-one wants cash tied up in stock, that's why you have to wait.

And they lose business as a result.  Nearly every single person I have sold one of my year/year and half old boats to was going to buy a new one, but the lead-time they've been quoted has enabled me to sell reasonably quickly, usually at a rate of depreciation I have been more than happy with.... the industry loses another 'new boat' sale and the tax man another 20% of whatever that would have cost.  

Had I have played so fast and loose with cars or high end computing gaming equipment, then I would be a lot worse off for sure!

I have this conversation with customers a lot...

Customer: why don't you ever have any stock of what I want?

Kindly, patient Getafix: can you forecast what you will need or want over the next few months?

Customer: well, no, not really

Kindly patient Getafix: in that case, unless you can loan me like, a few million, on fab credit terms, say "pay me back when you can, no interest", I'm going to have to stick with build-to-order....
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Kindly patient Getafix: in that case, unless you can loan me like, a few million, on fab credit terms, say "pay me back when you can, no interest", I'm going to have to stick with build-to-order....

Clap  .... It really is like the man says.  We often have spare hulls in the pipeline ourselves but unless you want to pay a good premium to have a pile waiting 'just in case' all the time there needs to be an acceptance of reality on both sides.

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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Same with BMW last time I tried to get one.  In the end I gave up and bought an ex-demonstrator... which is exactly what they want you to do.  

I can tell you right now there is a 9-10 week wait, which seems okay to me.
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6 days for my L200 from handing back the keys from the test drive - I don't think I'd be happy waiting 10 weeks to start reaping that tax saving ;-)

Different stocking models for different businesses of course- anyway, my point was I was able to shift my boats to folks who were planning to buy new... The long lead time helped close the deals, and the depreciation wasn't that bad.
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