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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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They are not short of cities queueing up to host the games, sailing included.
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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But I'm sure that most bidding cities would be delighted if the Olympic consisted of nothing more than swimming, gymnastics and athletics - the big selling/ratings winning events, with a few more cheap sports for colour - not ones where you have to build specialised arena/venues. Baseball/softball have been dropped for the London Olympics - and not been replaced with anything else. |
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Cheeky ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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Jim's right... sailing at the Olympics is... A minority sport,.... in terms of viewer-ship. Expensive to organise, expensive to televise e.t.c hence the recent proposals so the investment gets a return! Unfortunately sailing doesn't have any regular spectatorship. So a global ordinance se has to be educated every 4 years. Unfortunately we seem to be looking at this from inside the gold fish bowl. Start thinking of the Olympics as a Advert for your sport and you'll get a different perspective. Yes, I'm not sure I'd like to see the format taken up by my clubs RO but I am sure that this wouldn't happen, judging from the feelings on here anyway. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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But I don't. I think of it, as it has been up to now, as the pinnacle of my sport. The same thing we all do but taken to the Nth degree. I don't really care whether Joe Public wants to watch it on TV and I don't think these proposals would make much difference to that anyway. Joe Public will always prefer Beach Volleyball. |
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Cheeky ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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Beach volleyball!..... prefer it..... So do I.
![]() Pinnacle of our sport? Now your just being silly. ![]() Americas cup boys thinking that, and I don't see any Dev boats in the Olympics. But you can build a new Hi Tech bike and whip the other track cycling boys arses. What I'm saying is the modern Olympics is full of hypocrisy and double standards. It is in fact a vast group of arbitrary races. Over recent years it has become a highly political commercialised event with its own odd competitive atmosphere. The values and images you are justifiably trying to hold on to went out the window 40 years ago. To the detriment of global sporting culture, but they have gone. And unfortunately we need to stay with programme, and embrace it, in fact utilise it to improve, expand and involve more people in our sport. Changing a race format of a group of elite arbitrary sail boat racers for the benefit of increased viewer excitement is a small price to pay for the increased exposure and interest generated. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I don't see the AC as the pinnacle of sailing, although it is the pinnacle of cheque-book sailing. The point about Olympic sailing is it is reasonably accessible to anyone with the talent; at least that is the case in the UK. You could not say that about the AC. If the objective of Olympic sailing is to find the best sailors in the world, the new format seriously damages that. If the objective is to produce exciting TV, it is ridiculously unlikely to succeed without many other changes. The proposals are half-baked by either set of criteria.
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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Dinghy sailing is a unique sport where the pinnacle cannot be reached by winning in 1 class, whatever the event is. To be considered a master you must be a multiple champ in many classes over many years. All that happends with the Olympiic classes is that the olympics becomes the unofficial world champs. It strikes me the olympic selection is the kiss of death for any class in the UK...... why would anyone want to compete in a class where the only way to be the champ is to become a pro sailor and devote 5 years to a potentially fruitless campain. Face it..... olympic sailing show cases nothing, is crap on TV and does nothing for grass roots sailing except present the sport as an elitist, expensive, boring white mans hobbie horse. None of which it is(or needs to be). |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Lasers seem pretty unaffected as grassroots class - possibly a special case. Europes initially had an strong upsurge in interest, then fell away, at least in part for the reasons you suggest. Finns and Tornados survive as a grassroots classes here and there. In general though, I agree it's not obvious why a class would want Olympic selection. Selection followed by deselection is the nightmare scenario for a class. Without the Olympics, the Europe would probably still be going nicely as a niche lightweight/youth/women's class, as it was before selection. Having been selected then dropped, the outlook is bleak, since all the grassroots sailors have long gone. |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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And thats just touching the recent classes. I can't think of 1 class whaich has fared well out of olympic selection and the FD tale will bring a tear to any sailors eyes. I know this thread is now a pointless 900+ posts long but to just pick up on one of the older points made......... I love sailing and I love watching sport on TV - I have never ever seen any sailing on TV which was entertaining, and every Olympics I appologise to my none sailing friends and make excuses that sailing really is exciting. To reitterate, sailing in the Olympics is crap and unsuitable, doing nothing for the sport and nothing for the good of the games. If I had to propose a class/format change it would be to sail in 1 class only, open to both sexes, match or team racing......knock out ladder. |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Bumble may lack some historical perspective - the Firefly was an Olympic boat in 1948 and is still going strong. The Dragon of course is now more popular than when it was an Olympic boat - as is the Int 5.5m. The 12 sq m Sharpie still has active fleets in Norfolk and Holland The FD worlds still get a fair few boats, as does the Tempest (the ultimate heavyweight trapeze class) and even the Soling. And I am convinced that the Star would continue if they ever find an acceptable substitute. Apart from the Laser and the 470, none of the present boats were ever intended to be popular mass appeal boats. It was Bob Fisher who said recently that sailing should not be shown live. Edited highlights are a much better way of presenting the sport. There are other sports in which nothing much happens for long periods... cycle road racing, cricket for instance. They only become interesting because there is so much to commentate on outside the central event, and because the production team make much use of analysis, infill material (history of the event, the fruit cake they had for tea..), action replay etc. Doesn't seem to work for sailing.
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