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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Now be fair, its not really unmeasured sail area, is just a stupid rule... Best to think of the measured "sail area" as being a number that the measurement system spits out in order to compare sails rather than an actual measure of how big the rags are. As Rupert says its quite irrelevant for PY handicapping. Edited by JimC - 14 Mar 14 at 6:33pm |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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It's unmeasured, it doesn't mean it's uncontrolled.
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SUGmeister ![]() Sailwave Moderators ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265 |
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Merlin Rocket Class Rules
August 2011 (d) 9 SAIL AREA (a) All measurements, provided they are not outside the allowed max ima or minima, shall be taken to the nearest 1mm and areas shall be calculated to the nearest 0.01 of a square metre. (b) TOTAL SAIL AREA in square metres is: 13.80 – (0.60 x (L + 0.680)) but shall not exceed 10.20 square metres. (c) MAINSAIL AREA. T he mainsail in square metres shall be measured as: (L x F) / 2 where L and F are luff and foot measurements in metres as follows: (i) The luff, L, shall be measured along the mast from the upper edge of the lower band to the lower edge of the upper band . (ii) The foot, F, shall be measured along the top of the boom in its normal position from the fore edge of its measurement band to the aft side of the mast and the dimensions, F, shall be marked legibly and indelibly in metric units of not less than 20mm in height on the boom adjacent to its measurement band. The measured MAINSAIL AREA shall not exceed 80% of the total sail area. MAXIMUM FORESAIL AREA is the total sail area less the mainsail area measured in 9(c) and shall be marked legibly and ind elibly in metric units of not less than 20mm in height on the boom adjacent to the band. (e) ACTUAL FORESAIL AREA shall not exceed the maximum foresail area. The actual area in square metres shall be calculated as: (L x P) / 2 Where L is the luff and P the perpendicular in metres (see rule 12). (f) Sails shall be measured in a dry state, laid on a flat surface, with just sufficient tension to remove wrinkles across the line of measurement being taken. |
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Simon SUGmeister
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Yes, that's only measuring the triangular area, so all the roach and foot round in the main and jib isn't measured. So the measured mainsail area, T, is likely to be about 7.5m^2, but the actual mainsail area is about 9.5m^2. Similarly, the measured jib area will be about 2.7m^2 but in reality is over 3m^2.
Very beautiful boats, whatever the sail area! The NS14 has an actual, real, sail area of 9.3m^2 generally split 6.9/2.4 and must be up there in the sail area to yardstick stakes. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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![]() This is what I get *IF* I understand the rule correctly: - the measured sail area is in green - the red lines are the measurements which control the sail shape - the blue is an approximation of the actual sail shape, controlled by the measurements and the rules on corner reinforcement. The actual permissable length of the red lines is controlled by a formula which relates one to another and basically means you get to choose between a smaller, thinner taller sail and a shorter, fatter and slightly larger one. Its a very 1920s way of measuring sails, but if they moved to a modern method of measurement that measured real area without the complicated formulae and strange restrictions then they'd all get to throw all their sails away and their rigs would look quite different. There's nothing really wrong about it: the sails are compared equably and consistently and the measurements are reasonably quick and easy to do. You just have to be aware that the sail area total is a fiction that has little to do with the real area. [and, added later] I hadn't even noticed sugmeister had left off all the important stuff. I worked the drawing out last night from reading the rules on the RYA website. As Craiggo says, measuring crosss widths is common enough in one designs, the MR system just puts a formula on top of it which spits out an area. Edited by JimC - 15 Mar 14 at 8:40am |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Ah! But Sugmeister has fallen right into the trap. From an area measurement then yes only the triangle is considered, but the next paragraph in the rules which he kindly failed to copy and paste, lays down the maximum chord length at several stations, including max. Batten lengths. It is these extra rules that then limit the leech profile and the roach. This style of measuring was very common across most class's, and is still used by a lot of the 50s and 60s class's.
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All I did was cut n paste from the RYA PDF... http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/technical/Web%20Documents/Class%20Rules/MerlinRocket%20CR%20090811.pdf |
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I'm sure you're right but I did, afaik, copy n paste the sail area stuff accurately from the RYA, Page 9, hadn't read down as far as page 11 for the measurements. I am no Merlin fanboy, never actually set foot in one, but have always been impressed by their beauty and elegance but especially their speed considering their sail area which I always remember as being 107 sq ft compared to the Ents 113 sq ft Not entirely sure what the 13.8 minus stuff all adds up to tho.... TOTAL SAIL AREA in square metres is: 13.80 –(0.60 x (L + 0.680)) but shall not exceed 10.20 square metresWhat is pretty impressive are the measurement rules for the Enterprise... Page 14 http://www.sailenterprise.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Enterprise-Class-Rules-16-September-2011.pdf |
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It's just a fancy way of saying the luff should be 5.32m basically.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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It does appear they want them to all be the same, doesn't it!? |
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