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    Posted: 17 May 10 at 8:50pm
On a similar note to the traveller issue, is anyone getting
problems with the back of the mainsheet twisting on itself?
This has happened a couple of time for me now to the extent
that the twist in the mainsheet is enough to also twist the
traveller block around the traveller and stopping it
moving!

I've taken the mainsheet off and tried 'straightening' it
but it's started doing it again.

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happens all the time in lasers, only way to sort it is to unthread the mainsheet before each sail and tie one end to the boat and walk away with the other end and shake it up and down to get all the twists out. Easily done in the laser but with the 100 the sheet goes through the boom so not sure how easy it is? anyone tried it? First thing I will be doing with my boat is moving to a 5.5/6mm mainsheet like on my laser, felt like there was a lot of friction on the one i sailed although the loads were very low.
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Originally posted by blaze720

sounds like a plan chaps! Didn't DSM try to do a three way comparison with the 100, Halo and D-One... what happened to that?

D1 was a 'no show' on the day.  You'll just have to find out for yourself  (or ask the  testers) how Halo compared to the 100  ......  ;-)  I think the formal reviews will be out soon ...but are/ will be seperate.  It might have made a lot of sense to compare D1 and 100 directly and we were originally invited along to give a bit of alternative context in my opinion.  We expected Halo to be exceptional upwind and when reaching as is the Blaze and I believe that is what was clear to all - we did not necessarily expect it to be as relatively potent offwind though.  But choosing a boat is not simply about speed - you can very easily choose faster boats.  

It bears repeating as ever therefore, try them all for yourself.  No one class suits everyone and you just have to decide what sort of sailing is for you.  If anyone wants to see/try Blaze or Halo just get in touch and we are happy to bring both along to clubs and to keen groups who want demonstrations.  The CA is always happy to be involved as are we ..

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SO!  Let's put the record straight!  Pete Vincent (DSM) didn't invite us to the three boat testing until rather late in the day and with such short notice it was impossible to be there.  The idea, so I was told by Pete, was not to do a comparison but to take the opportunity to try three boats in one visit.  He thought that Burghfield was not the perfect testing venue (or so he said) but it would not cost as much as testing from HISC.  We therefore agreed to host the testing of the D-One in Chichester Harbour or in Hayling Bay, weather permitting.  The real P****R for me was when we got a NO SHOW from DSM a couple of weeks later at Mengeham Rythe SC. The D-One was, however, tested on that day by Alan Henderson for Yachting Life magazine and I am sure that the test report will be available soon.

We are happy to invite anyone, Y&Y, DSM or any magazines or individuals, to try the D-One any time.  If NP or ML want to bring their boats to a test day at the same time they are more than welcome as it will give anyone the opportunity to try a number of different single handers in one outing.  We can work on the venue/venues (easy in Chichester Harbour) and, subject to levels of interest, we will run D-One test days anywhere in the UK by request.

Rodney

Apologies for going off topic but this really does need an answer.



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Hi Rodney

Apologies are due if  my information was wrong - No intention from this quarter to 'knock' and perhaps it was a poor choice of words.  We are always happy to share demo days with you or anyone else. 

There are always more good reasons to share 'try a boat' sessions than bad ones in my experience and as I keep saying there are plenty of good reasons to actually try 'new' boats even if you think they might not be your natural choice.  Seriously if you want us along anytime - we'll be there.

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Originally posted by Phil J

On a similar note to the traveller issue, is anyone getting
problems with the back of the mainsheet twisting on itself?
This has happened a couple of time for me now to the extent
that the twist in the mainsheet is enough to also twist the
traveller block around the traveller and stopping it
moving!

I've taken the mainsheet off and tried 'straightening' it
but it's started doing it again.

Phil

yes mainsheet twisting to the point of actually tying it self in knots here - ooer matron!  Great if you also snag the kite sheet behind the knot and both get pulled into the block during a gybe - don't ask!

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Sounds like we have all been rather spoilt by the last couple of months of
generally light breezes and the more challenging conditions over the
weekend have introduced some as yet undiscovered joys !

Have to say that bearing away in a solid 20k gust and trying to hoist the
kite whilst the boat is already flat out planing makes it a whole load more
interesting ! She's pretty skittish until the kite goes up and fills - and that
was on flat water. Also noticed that you need to sit quite far back going
downwind / reaching without the kite in order to keep the bow out -
appears the kite has a beneficial lifting effect.

I've not had a problem (yet !) with the mainsheet twisting but will keep an
eye out for that in case. The traveller / tiller tangle only appears to
happen if you let go of the extension, mainly righting from a capsize. I
try to keep the extension pointing forward, particularly when hoisting, or
at least to hold on to the end of it if capsizing.

The niggling issues I have had (now mostly resolved) have been:

* A twist in the kite halyard where it passes through the block on the
shockcord take up - this causes a total birds-nest around the block
jamming the halyard so the kite wont go up or down. The halyard has
twisted around since new despite rethreading several times. Have now
changed block for a swivel and seems to have resolved it (thank God !).

* Lazy sheet catching on the gooseneck bolt whilst fast gybing (probably
due to a lot of heel). Not found a technique fix for that one yet but will
resort to a velcro strap if it persists.

* For some reason the spreader rotating bracket seems to be sticking (i.e
spreaders are moving with the mast). Then letting go with a sudden
shock that doesn't sound too good !

* Kite sheet shockcords are getting pulled back through the ratchets then
preventing the sheet from being eased and causing hassle with kite drop.
Have resolved this with small stainless eyes.

* I need to tighten up the friction on the centreboard. Having tried a
failed to do this on the water with a long screwdriver I checked with Rob E
and you need to remove the board to get a purchase on the screws. This
is a real hassle as it needs other bodies to lift the boat and care putting it
down on its side etc. Therefore still not managed to do it and having to
live with board raking back on the downwind legs and needing to
remember to drop on the beat.

These are VERY minor niggles and dont detract from what is proving to be
a stunning and fun boat, particularly now I am getting to grips with the
10.2 in some breeze (LOTS of kicker !).

Stupid question (I think I probably know the answer) - has anyone tried
putting the 8.4 up without removing the stump and changing the rigging
( i.e not hoisted to the top of the mast) ? I seriously considered doing this
between races at the weekend when I had just enough time to come
ashore to change sails but not to unstep the mast etc. Is the bend curve
all wrong ?





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The rooster mainsheet is pretty good, the way it works i think is that the outer takes most of the load unlike conventional ropes where the core does this.  That in theory makes it tighter and reduces twisting.  I used it for a little while in my laser but never really made a particularly big difference to twisting because when you have 10+ metres of the stuff in a cockpit that size it tends to naturally tie itself in knots around the mainsheet every time you tack.  Best thing to do is just to keep it tidy up the beat if possible and make sure that before a windward mark you pull an armful of sheet up above your head to get as much free sheet as possible for the big dump as you go round the mark.

My most recent mainsheet was the one that laser now supply which was developed by southern ropes for paul goodison, laser sell a red one but paul goodison uses a yellow version which is actually more grippy, and slightly thinner.  I have never had a problem with using such a thin mainsheet so long as you are wearing good gloves (i wear builders gloves).

To stop a rope twisting the best thing I have found to do is attach both ends in a way which stops them twisting, then the twists cannot get into the rope. So tie the end of it to the kite sheets or in the case of the laser the toestrap. If tied to the kite sheets it also keeps it in the boat and allows you to grab the kitesheets or mainsheet should you drop either of them by simply chasing down one end of the kitesheets which are sat next to you as you're hiking so no need to lean in and slow down and find the mainsheet in the bottom of the boat. This is how the test boat is set up that i used and it seems to work and I didnt have any problems with twisted sheets or strops round tillers. Perhaps elasticated strops will be a bimble to consider when I get my boat.

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Originally posted by ChrisC

Sounds like we have all been rather spoilt by the last
couple of months of
generally light breezes and the more challenging conditions over the
weekend have introduced some as yet undiscovered joys !

Have to say that bearing away in a solid 20k gust and trying to hoist the
kite whilst the boat is already flat out planing makes it a whole load more
interesting ! She's pretty skittish until the kite goes up and fills - and that
was on flat water. Also noticed that you need to sit quite far back going
downwind / reaching without the kite in order to keep the bow out -
appears the kite has a beneficial lifting effect.

I've not had a problem (yet !) with the mainsheet twisting but will keep an
eye out for that in case. The traveller / tiller tangle only appears to
happen if you let go of the extension, mainly righting from a capsize. I
try to keep the extension pointing forward, particularly when hoisting, or
at least to hold on to the end of it if capsizing.

The niggling issues I have had (now mostly resolved) have been:

* A twist in the kite halyard where it passes through the block on the
shockcord take up - this causes a total birds-nest around the block
jamming the halyard so the kite wont go up or down. The halyard has
twisted around since new despite rethreading several times. Have now
changed block for a swivel and seems to have resolved it (thank God !).

* Lazy sheet catching on the gooseneck bolt whilst fast gybing (probably
due to a lot of heel). Not found a technique fix for that one yet but will
resort to a velcro strap if it persists.

* For some reason the spreader rotating bracket seems to be sticking (i.e
spreaders are moving with the mast). Then letting go with a sudden
shock that doesn't sound too good !

* Kite sheet shockcords are getting pulled back through the ratchets then
preventing the sheet from being eased and causing hassle with kite drop.
Have resolved this with small stainless eyes.

* I need to tighten up the friction on the centreboard. Having tried a
failed to do this on the water with a long screwdriver I checked with Rob E
and you need to remove the board to get a purchase on the screws. This
is a real hassle as it needs other bodies to lift the boat and care putting it
down on its side etc. Therefore still not managed to do it and having to
live with board raking back on the downwind legs and needing to
remember to drop on the beat.

These are VERY minor niggles and dont detract from what is proving to be
a stunning and fun boat, particularly now I am getting to grips with the
10.2 in some breeze (LOTS of kicker !).

Stupid question (I think I probably know the answer) - has anyone tried
putting the 8.4 up without removing the stump and changing the rigging
( i.e not hoisted to the top of the mast) ? I seriously considered doing this
between races at the weekend when I had just enough time to come
ashore to change sails but not to unstep the mast etc. Is the bend curve
all wrong ?



So many similar issues there.

I've tried the 8.4 on the 'long' mast (can't be asked to change it) and it looks
and appears to set so much better the foot being clear of the boom, but I
don't think it twists off as well (which you kind of need it to when the wind
gets up as it inevitably did on me)*EDit also note kicker release issue which will
need adjusting, although being higher up puts more pressure between the
clew and the boom end, also keeping the leech tight.

The spinnaker sheet round the frankenstein bolt I'm trying a windsurfing
mast base protector which so far has been ok cept last time but so many
things went wrong it doesn't count.

Yes, also found hoisting the kite in waves and brisk breeze er interesting
and two part as the boat death rolls on a dead run whilst you try to hoist it.
Think I need a different technique, I use the Musto crook of the knee
method which leaves two hands free, but the crook of the knee isn't quick
enough to counter rolls and not sure I could let off enough kicker because
of the long mast anyway.

Also had the birds nesting kite halyard, but watch for it now and the rear
bridle round the wiggle stick, but then I've had that on every boat I've
owned, they were all rear sheeted, usually overcome it with a battlestick.

My centreboard issue is of my own making, very surprised and pleased to
get a call from RS, but it really isn't a warranty issue since I self inflicted it,
probably the other week tryin to push the boat up a steep shingle shelf at
high tide, and the cb dropping out and engaging in the beach as the boat
slid back, which is probably why the screw threaded, it's an easy fix.

I must say I'm pleased with the customer after sales service, a lot different
from my previous experience, where they tried to charge me for what was
most definitely warranty work when the whole of the bottom of the gel coat
stripped off during a race and I still have unresolved rig issues which are
unlikely to ever get fixed.

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Originally posted by rodney

 we will run D-One test days anywhere in the UK by
request.




Oh do come to Hythe..

I'd just love to see how it launches and recovers.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by rodney

 we will run D-One test days anywhere in the UK by
request.




Oh do come to Hythe..

I'd just love to see how it launches and recovers.

Isn't Hythe like Eastbourne SC, onshore breakers and an 8 person landing party needed per boat?

Sounds like a nightmare for any boat that isn't a windsurfer!

I was going to ask if you were sailing your 100 backwards onto the beach to break the centreboard.

I remember breaking a rudder off my ISO (back in the day) landing at Eastbourne, and people moan about Queen Mary launching

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