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    Posted: 04 Sep 14 at 10:03am
I don't think anyone would call a moth mass produced or indeed for the masses, its for a deranged few people with superhuman abilities. 

As far as I am aware RS have been delivering boats for a while now, but correct me if I am wrong? All I do know is that the test boats have been shore dumped at Gurnard for a long time an in conditions which would have damaged other boats. One of the advantages of lightweight can actually be less damage as the momentum is lower. But, yes time will tell how well any boat is built.

Although I have to trump the 505 with my Tasar, 38 years old, stiff as a board, has to carry correctors and finished top 5 in the nationals last year and now sailing at Bowmoor!

Kneewrecker, the fishing rod people also probably make the mast on your super high tech standy uppy windy puff thing as they are the worlds biggest manufacturer of windsurf rigs, so not exactly new to windy things....... Big smile
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My view on it, to the outside eye, the Aero looks much more polished and 'technical' than anything else on the market, it's the closest thing I've seen to a proper 'retail looking' product, so we can argue all we like, if I were a salesman having to sell boats to people perhaps not as 'informed' as us lot, I know which I'd rather be standing next to. ' Each one is backed by our no quibble warranty, our headquarters are here in the UK and everything is built here, So how would you like to pay sir cash or credit card?'

Oh and dacron? It's more expensive than many of your hi-, tech laminates, thanks to 14% duty on woven fabrics, it's why mylar and mono film got such a grip on windsurfing sails. It's also considered 'hi tech' on Kitesurfing kites since it brought with it improvements to the leading edge in stability and durability, perceptions can be quite different in other market sectors, how many would you like sir?

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yep, it's reglass isn't it?  I'm fairly sure my masts come from another Italian supplier though.  They could be all the same company, or indeed it could be completely the other way around and the masts for Aero come from Italica SPA... who knows, who really cares?  It does seem odd though that a company that works masts up with the bend curve to enable a windsurf sail to twist off under extreme load can't make a dinghy stick that a mylar sail will work on...?

Bottom line is I guess if I were buying a dinghy spar there are certain names I trust and have confidence in... maybe the the OEM supplied ones will be added to that list in due course.  After all, they're bullet proof too right?
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Exactly that Tasar is bullet proof!

6 months of use in controlled environment for any boat does not constitute bullet proof to me,  but i'm sure there will be examples with everything new of warranty claims.  Its the nature of the beast. Especially with the numbers of boats that these companies are hoping to churn out!  

For me the most ground breaking thing about both *ero's is the value for money they offer.  It means that I can justify a new boat purchase and also the joy of simple sailing again.  Something i loved with the Laser.  Check windguru drag it out of the nettles chuck it in the water.  Its like Mountain biking for me, drag bike out of the garage, ride it put it back.  Thats how i want my sport to be nowadays.  Not drive for two hours to an open event spend an hour rigging up then sit in a cold club house drinking an deating waiting for the wind to fill in.

I guess i am a victim of the modern world.  Throw it away culture.  If its simple and puts a smile on my face i am in!  If its hassle and take sup my time, im out!
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Originally posted by Null

 If its hassle and take sup


Say it aint so, not SUP?
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I would say the zero rig is conventional, i.e you put the sail up, it has lots of draft and it works very nicely - I thought it excellent when I sailed it. The aero rig is a completely different concept so will be more alien to the average sailor as its not what they have used before. But as I said once you have tensioned it up, it works really very well, you will just have to go and try one to see Wink 
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worse, inflatable SUP... down the ditch with an alloy 'extendable' paddle for added lameness....  

or a typo... not sure which.

Russ- your are spot on, they're both well priced and look good fun.  
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Originally posted by SimonW99

I would say the zero rig is conventional, i.e you put the sail up, it has lots of draft and it works very nicely - I thought it excellent when I sailed it. The aero rig is a completely different concept so will be more alien to the average sailor as its not what they have used before. But as I said once you have tensioned it up, it works really very well, you will just have to go and try one to see Wink 

I don't think i'd fit in one, they look tiny....   LOL
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Graeme i think you are misunderstanding to the dinghy community.

If the boat is aimed at a family market, newbies or people that want a holiday toy.  Then yes that package works and presents plenty of USP compared to the rest of the market.

However, historically (as you know and hate) the UK dinghy market is very different, most people are used to dealing with small builders who have little idea about how to actually sell and package a product.  This is why so many are so cynical, the market in the UK is not used to being sold to.  Its used to making informed buying decisions.  I think that's why on occasions there is backlash around wild claims and marketing techniques.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by SimonW99

I would say the zero rig is conventional, i.e you put the sail up, it has lots of draft and it works very nicely - I thought it excellent when I sailed it. The aero rig is a completely different concept so will be more alien to the average sailor as its not what they have used before. But as I said once you have tensioned it up, it works really very well, you will just have to go and try one to see Wink 

I don't think i'd fit in one, they look tiny....   LOL

Have you ever seen Alex from RS? He is the one in most of the shots and I guess 6'3 100kg. They are very buoyant and carry us fat boys fine.
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