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Russ, its honestly not a problem - I'm only down the M5 from you and am happy to let you have a sail anytime you want.
Bethwaite argues in his first book that it was a deliberate saftey measure to make his boats invert, but I'm really not convinced. Maybe it has some merit on Sydney harbour or trans-ocean sailing, I don't know, but the cynic in me thinks it was just a way of explaining why his wing masts didn't have tops on them (which is less easy than on a round mast).
I'm not aware of any fatalities from dinghies blowing away from capsized sailors (but there may have been some), but I do know of instances where people have become trapped under upturned hulls. And in the far less extreme but far more common instances, turtled boats can be a real pain to right, almost certainly ending your race and often your days sailing from the physical exhaustion, cold and possibly a broken mast. And you are far more likely to need rescue boat assistance, tying up a valuable safety resource. Righting a turtled boat can be a real drama, righting a boat on its side with a light rig and self draining hull hopefully isn't.
As an aside, and linking to another topic, I actually think that is one of the reasons for the Laser's popularity. As an inexperienced helm you may stand a good chance of capsizing whilst gybing, but they are so easy to right that there is no worry, no panic, no game over. You can upright and sailin at full speed just a few seconds later. That means you are happy to sail in conditions that you wouldn't want to many other boats.
But anyway, forum talk is one thing, but if you want to see for yourself do come along and try it - you are all very welcome.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Jim
Mike L. …. And if any future Icon owners still wants us to ensure the mast floods quickly then it can easily be arranged …. |
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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I sailed in the Tasar Nationals in Babacombe when I was a fit 60 year old crewing for a young experienced helm. Our race ended when on the second day we stuck it in on a screaming reach. The boat inverted instantly. Whenever we got it up it rolled off the swell and came on top of us, many times. Eventually I was exhausted and could not continue. Finally the rescue boat helped.....but that was it for me, race over. How that can be 'safe' escapes me.
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cad99uk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 187 |
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Sounds good to me.
Completely agree.
Thanks for the info. |
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Menace ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 296 |
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Big question on my mind is, what was the other magazine? Does it ryhme with Peahorse?
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x1testpilot ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 11 Location: Ealing Online Status: Offline Posts: 175 |
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![]() ![]() Here are a couple from today when X1 and Icon met on the water. Although very different boats, it was interesting how like-minded the thinking has been and how applying current technology has made two leaps forward for dinghy design. Many thanks Mike for letting me have a play in the Icon it was great fun, I just need to work on my gybes! At least I kept you dry. Hopefully we will have more time next time and you can try the X1 too. |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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I think it rhymes with Plotting Wife....... Edited by tgruitt - 18 Apr 11 at 10:24pm |
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Needs to sail more...
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Were you using the Australian Navy rig to windward technique Bethwaite describes on the Tasar website? I teach it now: I've found it much more likely to succeed first time than the RYA scoop method. The only time I've known it not to work is when the crew is so light they need both on the centreboard. Edited by JimC - 18 Apr 11 at 10:44pm |
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Menace ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 296 |
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Meh, never read that tripe before....
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