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JimC
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Topic: 50S Posted: 13 Mar 22 at 6:37pm |
Originally posted by Dougaldog
daubed on the wall in International Graphspeed |
Wasn't Graphspeed from Helmsman paints as in Lady Helmsman? My recollection is the trick coloured paint from International was the pink "smoothy".
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 13 Mar 22 at 5:57pm |
Hi all - just to set the record straight, NO - this wasn't anything to do with me. If I have something to say then (a) you'll know about it, (b) I'd make a far more watertight case than that made by the OP and (c) if I cared enough to write then it would have my name on - I don't hold with 'anon' comments...so should that be QAnon?. But - having broken cover to set the record straight that it wasn't me, a couple of other clarifications.
Jim C had it spot on when he said that this has been tried before and yes - the idea went nowhere.
The Alto.. now this was a lovely boat that a great deal of thought had gone into with regards the layout and so much more, but in other areas the backers of the project showed a distinct degree of naïve thinking, and not a great deal in terms of strategy for the commercial positioning of the boat. Now I was -still am - a fan of the Alto and would love to have seen it do better than it did, but that said, it was nowhere near being on a par with a FiveO, and to somehow insist to the contrary just shows a lack of understanding of what the 5o5 is all about.
And finally - thank you to grumpycat for the recognition of a 'style' - I hope that I can repay the compliment with a couple of upcoming articles that currently have the working title of 'Taking the P'... with P meaning different things in different article. But the one that I've just completed looks a how much it costs to take the P and the bare bones of the 'complaint' about the cost of a new 5o5 is broken down and examined in more clinical detail. The beef about the escalating costs were daubed on the wall in International Graphspeed the summer before covid and my article was 2/3rds written before I heard about the post over on SA ( I rarely visit that site, you won't find me posting there).
I'm off now looking at Part 2..Taking the P (out of Performance) which I'm sure will have you reaching for your keyboards, who will be first, Mr. Angry of Hythe and Saltwood leads the odds at 5 to 2 on right now! Dougal
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Grumpycat
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Posted: 13 Mar 22 at 8:12am |
Originally posted by Sailerf
Was the article written by Dougal dog Henshall ? |
Don’t think so , unless he is moonlighting as the ‘ editor’ on sailing anarchy lol.
Seriously the writing style was different and the authors sailing history mentioned in the article also didn’t seem to match. But you never know 
Edited by Grumpycat - 13 Mar 22 at 8:13am
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Sailerf
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Posted: 13 Mar 22 at 7:54am |
Was the article written by Dougal dog Henshall ?
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john80
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Posted: 12 Mar 22 at 7:53pm |
If I was independently wealthy the 505 would be one of the first boats I would be going to buy. Sailed one as a kid and if a 420 is a hot hatch, the 470 is a decent saloon the 505 is a luxury saloon to sail. I was a massive fan when I sailed one as 420 kid. Fantastic boat sailed in fantastic venues. The alto is frankly a joke in comparison.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 10 Mar 22 at 5:11pm |
If it is who I think that you refer (the description fits) I don't think he has ever owned one ...
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iGRF
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Posted: 10 Mar 22 at 3:18pm |
Originally posted by Mike Holt
Still married happily Gordon! And yes, from deepest Essex originally. The USA on the sail is because you represent the class association that you are a Member of, in my case, the US one, it did take some getting used to for sure... Worth adding that it is a 2 man boat and the crew being every bit as important as the helm and mine are American.<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Lucida Grande, Segoe UI, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif">GRAEME, you really need to sail a 5O5 and a Merlin to appreciate what you are missing before life has completely passed you by.</span> |
Oh, OK, can see that now..
And seriously you need to have a try at least in the Alto, rather than contemplating a BMW316 of a 505 it would be better to use the Alto as a feeder to the class. It was developed by a good ole 505 boy, it has a lot of 505 DNA (and yes of course I've sailed one (a 505)and in the sea in waves and tide, And a Merlin for that matter both helm and crew (didn't fare so well at that bit). For years we all regarded the 505 as the boat to own, there were several at my club back in the day, a lot of my ideas to modify boards came from 505, (retracting CB, jibing CB, twist in sails), but in my day Colclough and Parkers ruled that's how far back I go with them (Parkers built me a board).
So, I hope you'll spot the piss taking element of my posts, nothing would make me happier than a 5 oh revival, but really, it ain't going to happen anytime soon. Which was part of the reason Mike developed the Alto, indeed it was a shame P&B didn't spot what he was trying to achieve and plugged it rather than sitting on it. The 505 would still be the aspiration but the Alto which at that time was seven grand, could have enticed modern style assym sailors and perhaps converting them to conventional poles, or it could have been fully developed like the 505 and the heavy old girls grandmothered. That is if you could have got Rondar to make one that didn't have it's bottom stripped off at high speed.
Edit. Oh and just to clarify the Accountant v Drunkard, it was an in joke in my business, My CFO sailed a five oh (and they're sponsored by an accountancy software compnay) but my main sales guy who once got so p1ssed he came to naked on a sofa in some apartment block in Torbole with the occupants kids playing happily until the woman of the house who had kindly collected all the clothes he'd left up the stairs and into the hallway gave them to him and didn't ask him to stay for breakfast, have a guess which class he sails?
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Posted: 10 Mar 22 at 3:00pm |
Still married happily Gordon! And yes, from deepest Essex originally. The USA on the sail is because you represent the class association that you are a Member of, in my case, the US one, it did take some getting used to for sure... Worth adding that it is a 2 man boat and the crew being every bit as important as the helm and mine are American.
GRAEME, you really need to sail a 5O5 and a Merlin to appreciate what you are missing before life has completely passed you by.
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Posted: 10 Mar 22 at 2:37pm |
Originally posted by JimC
Originally posted by iGRF
is that the way it works, you can't use your nationaility on your sail if you're using a locally registered hull? |
Its not your nationality, its the boat's nationality. Irritates me too. But I suppose it would be equally irritating if you were supposed to change letters on the sail if you lent the boat to someone from a different country.
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Surely, has to be this way, or a boat with multiple crew from different countries would have an alphabet soup spread over its mainsail
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Mar 22 at 2:28pm |
Originally posted by iGRF
is that the way it works, you can't use your nationaility on your sail if you're using a locally registered hull? |
Its not your nationality, its the boat's nationality. Irritates me too. But I suppose it would be equally irritating if you were supposed to change letters on the sail if you lent the boat to someone from a different country.
Edited by JimC - 10 Mar 22 at 2:30pm
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