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    Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 10:42pm
Like I said.. santimony luxuriating in authoritarian repression.
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as opposed to tone-deaf, bigoted hectoring masquerading  as banter ? 

get in the bin you pathetic sad old man 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 20 at 7:10am
Originally posted by NicolaJayne

as opposed to tone-deaf, bigoted hectoring masquerading  as banter ? 

get in the bin you pathetic sad old man 

The trouble is, he's right.

Overnight ordinary people have fallen under the dire judgement of others who know absolutely nothing about them. We have people calling the police because they don't think their next door neighbour should be going to work. They don't think that guy across the road should be talking to the lady with her children walking past his gate. The group of three housemates walking round the park are too close.....

The list goes on. There was a video on the TV of the police talking to a man for playing football with his children in his own front garden. A high up police chief in the north (I think it was Yorkshire but I could be wrong) was on TV telling people if they couldn't behave he would have officers in shops checking people's shopping, a statement that was retracted very quickly.

These are isolated incidents by overzealous busybodies, but you begin to understand how the secret police forces of 30' and Cold War dictatorships conducted their business. 

I don't like what I see. It isn't the Government that bothers me, they are doing the best that they can. Certain sections of the population really worry me. This crisis is bringing out the worst in them.

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I live in Cheltenham. Before C19 people would nearly always look each other in the eye and say hi as they walked past each other like they do in most places outside of London (!). Now I have noticed that people will not look you in the eye or acknowledge your existence as you cross paths. Why is that? I think this is the micro-embodiment of what Paramedic is talking about and have found it very weird.
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The constant war rhetoric in our socio-political lives is coming home to roost..... previously we had remainers and leavers as the 'others'.  Now everyone outside of our domiciled family unit is an 'other'... a potential host to a silent killer called Covid_19, or whatever next year's strain will be called.  It's akin to a dystopian teen movie or quite literally, a zombie apocalypse early chapter.

I swing from 'it'll be over soon, hang fire and watch netflix' to 'this sh*t's straight out of the shock and awe playbook'.  It stinks of human bad action, Christ knows who the real perps were, but we'll never really know and the internet is full of conspiracists already.

Gaia Theory would be a nicer explanation - gives us all space to breath and learn from the experience together as one species - but it doesn't sell newspapers, or increasingly, ad revenue on click bait.

I dunno, but in 40+ years, this seems to be the weirdest reset I've seen the world take.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

 
Overnight ordinary people have fallen under the dire judgement of others who know absolutely nothing about them. We have people calling the police because they don't think their next door neighbour should be going to work. They don't think that guy across the road should be talking to the lady with her children walking past his gate. The group of three housemates walking round the park are too close.....

People are running scared, thats all. And rightly so. My friends dad died of the virus at the weekend. You become much more aware of things when its someone you know ... (looking at you iGRF....)

Originally posted by H2

I live in Cheltenham. Before C19 people would nearly always look each other in the eye and say hi as they walked past each other like they do in most places outside of London (!). Now I have noticed that people will not look you in the eye or acknowledge your existence as you cross paths. Why is that? I think this is the micro-embodiment of what Paramedic is talking about and have found it very weird.

Quite the opposite here. People give wide berths, smile and say Thankyou. Never happened before :-)
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Originally posted by polc1410

 But how would you draw a line? 

I'd draw the line where the government does. 

Exercise alone or with member of your own family
Keep 2m away from those outside your household.
Stay local. 

In practice this would mean limited or no parking. 
No rescue cover; because you can't expect members who aren't exercising to travel
No organised racing; because you can't confine people to a committee boat or race box.
No clubhouse because people may congregate and break 2m rule

If there was concern that the club would be flooded with sailors, then I'd run 'rota' of some sort for the first few weeks or so. Have 50 half day slots when people could put their name down to sail. The monitor. You could do it by which area of the boat park people are in, so you don't have people rigging up on top of each other. 

Originally posted by ttc546

 
1 person goes sailing and then everyone goes sailing
1 person goes golfing, and then everyone goes golfing

And before you know it, hundreds of people are travelling and doing activities because 1 person believed that they could and wouldnt cause a danger. Its not about whether you could do it safetly or not, its the snowball affect that would happen.
Would it though? National Parks have managed by controlling car parks and limiting space.  

The most effective way of stopping prolonged journeys or unnecessary travel is having police monitor trunk roads and popular routes to the area, just as they have done for national parks. 

The weekend before full lockdown we had essentially the above rules. And the harbour wasn't packed, there were a dozen boats out. With the addition of not being able to sail with those outside your household I think it would be less. 

A bigger problem is beach (like west witherings). But again car parking and checkpoints on trunk roads are the answer to that over crowding. 


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as an aside, I actually came back on here looking to see if there was a thread on the Melges 14 - has anyone sailed one???
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Originally posted by turnturtle

as an aside, I actually came back on here looking to see if there was a thread on the Melges 14 - has anyone sailed one???

I have not, I did call the distributor to ask if they had a demo back in 2019 and was somewhat sneered at. I was just curious really rather that genuinely interested so I did not bother to follow up. I was happy to see another singlehander that says it can carry people that are bigger than the Laser or Aero were designed for and was interested to see if it really could.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 20 at 8:51am
yep - that's my thoughts.

No racing around here other than Lasers, so really weighing up monohull 'beach boat' options that can carry a bit of weight and a kid or two if the weather is nice.  Aero and D-Zero don't really tick those boxes, still think a cat is probably the answer.


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