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gordon1277 
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 Topic: Knee friendly Single Handers?Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 8:54am |
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Hi Keith
In the MK2 could you put a rear tank in as per John Turners Merlin and remove the trip hazard in the middle? Is it possible to have a deep double bottomed boat to keep it knee friendly? I would have thought its one or the other. Gordon |
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JimC
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 9:45am |
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The centre tank will be a key part of the float low but come up reasonably dry concept, plus also gives something to sit on. A boat with a stern tank will tend to come up with much more water in and also accumulate much more water, plus you have a whole world of hassle with getting water through them to transom drains, and it leaves a huge amount of free surface for water to swish about on, making the boat unstable when swamped.
There's little more irritating than a double bottom that's too shallow, because water tends to come in when you tack and pool, especially in light airs with bow down trim, and you end up with some of the most irritating disadvantages of both self draining and non self draining. Provided the centre tank isn't too wide to readily step over its not really going to be any more challenging than a centreboard to step over as soon as you are used to the boat. Nothing's perfect, but there are some formidable advantages for that arrangement to set alongside the obvious disadvantages. |
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The Moo
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 10:49am |
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Tall self drainers were experimented with in the National 12 fleet a few years back. Apparently very comfortable to sail but no idea what they were like to recover from a capsize. From certain angles they were very aesthetically challenging to look at particularly at the bow.
Photo courtesy www.nat12.org |
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Puddlebuster
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 1:33pm |
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No question the D one is the most comfortable hiking single hander downwind. I still found the Finn slightly awkward especially as you need to come to the centreline dead down wind on occasions.Phantom is not too bad. The design just set the toe strap anchorages right where you want your knees on those light days.
The D one upwind is unsurpassed as well apart from a wire. |
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 1:43pm |
opinions are great aren't they- I think that looks a stunning little boat.
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The Moo
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 2:12pm |
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I agree it does look good in that picture. A little less photogenic here?
A bit short for such a tall boat. Source www.nat12.org.uk |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 2:22pm |
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paradigm 2...? I like the look of them, something substantial and functional about those slab sides.
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The Moo
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 2:44pm |
Correctomundo. I sometimes wonder whether we should have bought one before we bailed out of National 12s, but tbh I just couldn't be arsed with faffing around with adjustable foiling rudders.......... and I now have a happy crew (and knees!). 
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Rupert
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 2:44pm |
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I like the idea of high sided double bottomed boats, but have to say I don't like the look. There must be a better way, just a shame you can't change the laws of physics.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 2:46pm |
same conclusion I came to also.... but there aren't many single handers with jibs that can take the occasional crew to comply with class rules
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