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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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Well under my system if the Halo kept winning in Group 7 it would just get kicked up into group 6, same with the Aero 9, chances are there would be events for Groups 6 & 7 anyway so it wouldn't stop folk showing up, decimating a class like they have the Phantoms.
The other way you could limit it would be using weight groups as Boards do, rough rule of thumb sail size in sq mtr no more than a factor of ten times body weight which it pretty much is now anyway if you think about it. 95 kgs = 9.5sq mrs, 85kgs = 8.5sq mrs 75kgs = 7,5 sq mtrs and so forth. Folk coming in to the sport need that sort of guidance anyway even though some of us choose to ignore it, the fact is, give or take, if you're looking at one size does it all they are your limits anyway with a stayed rig that doesn't depower too well.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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would it.... typical drifter evening inland conditions. A 75kg rocket racoon puts one up and creams everyone, he'd have done the same in a new Phantom. The poor 120kg buggers who'd struggle to move from one side to the other without sweating still find they're down the pan.... as you'd expect in light winds. Do they have to move into the category up just because Skinny Pete is pot hunting? ![]() Edited by turnturtle - 19 Mar 15 at 9:38am |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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But skinny Pete is not so skinny....
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Yo homies, y'all need to catch up, word. That Skinny Pete was so 2003 bitches.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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He has done a Turnturtle style Slimming World transformation then......
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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In the USA, most yachts race under PHRF which is not a band system, but it's one where committees sit in rooms and decide handicaps without the statistical database that PY has.
Anyone who reckons that causes less controversy should read up on US PHRF for a while. SA is a good place to start, but it just keeps on going. There was even a "how to buy a cheater PHRF boat" article in Sailing World years back. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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or a sh*t load of meth.
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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Weight doesn't make much difference in drifters, it only really cuts in once there is some sort of power being supplied, then things like planing threshold or fast displacement in the case of dinghies apply.
That Halo rig as i recall was introduced to try and stem the flow of heavy guys out of the Blaze into Phantoms, it was going on about the time I bought my Blaze, funnily enough from a guy buying a Phantom he was a big unit. But those two boats get their speed advantage when they do get it for two entirely separate reasons and I was never convinced uplifting the sail size on the Blaze hull was ever going to do it for anything other than big guys in breeze. All of which is entirely irrelevant to the discussion other than it enforces the point that Blaze & Phantom both have the same potential it just occurs due to different circumstances and the way the current yardstick applies, it's just one circumstance that gets reported more than the other for all the reasons we've discussed over the years although quite how the morons have managed to come up with 975 for a kite less single hander is beyond me and just a further indication of how out of touch or just plain stupid they have become.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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The whole point being made, (apart from a bit of teasing !)
is that the PN system does not and cannot adequately measure boat potential the
way it is ..... Want to have a play with the figures out of curiosity without getting too tangled up in it ? You could start by looking at the delta between GL and ‘official’ PN numbers across a range of classes. Many seem to be growing .... ! Anyway - only my opinion and I'm sure this one will go on for some time ... and on and on again![]() Mike L. |
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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Of course it could be that the clubs that have all those years of experience just haven't adjusted their number locally and see no need, and the actual returns they send in spit out the new rya number. Have you asked those clubs what the pys site shows as the potential adjusted halo number? let us know what you find out when you have.
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