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jeffers 
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 Topic: Simple Racing RulesPosted: 27 Aug 14 at 11:47am |
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Just remember the famous quote by Elvstrom in cases like this....
Clearly the FB guys lost the respect of a lot of competitors so in reality they didn't win aside from on the spreadsheet... Personally I would like to see this kind of deliberate behaviour defined as unsporting conduct. It is fair enough to try to stop a boat overtaking you but not fair or sporting to sail a boat deliberately down the fleet so as to improve your own position. Just my 2p......
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Brass
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 11:50am |
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I thought I said pretty clearly that if you complied with the rules most of the time, then whether or not you remembered the rules numbers and words was irrelevant to whether you were a good sailor or not. You completely missed my point. If you are already complying with the rules most of the time, it's absolutely up to you whether you try to improve your rules knowledge.
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Brass
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 12:02pm |
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Citation please <g>
Seemingly.
We need to understand that Case 78, Question 2, expressly says that for a faster boat to sail a slower boat in the same race down the fleet for a 'good sporting reason', such as to improve her pointscore, or selection standing, is perfectly sporting, provided that she doesn't break another rule in doing so. With apologies to Sargesail for claiming knowledge of the rules drafters state of mine, to arrive at that hard contested decision, the Racing Rules Committee, obviously, considered the possible unfairness of a faster boat taking tactical advantage of a slower boat in a handicap race, and decided, on balance (and probably on the assumption that, within a single division or race, boats would be of at least comparable speeds) that any unfairness arising form different speeds was less important than the unfairness of forbidding a boat from using tactics to improve her position.
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Brass
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 12:21pm |
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The doctrines of 'ignorance of the law is no excuse' or 'every man is expected to know the law' are supported in law because of the proposition that every person ought to know right from wrong, and the statute laws are no more than verbal expressions of what is right and wrong. I'm not going to try to defend every granule of the above, particularly in more modern contexts, but that's the rationale.
I think you have missed the point of the 'subset' concept. The Beginners Rules are just a subset (in terms of the RRS situations that would be included, and the complexity/simplification of the expression of the selected rules, that will be memorable and will be sufficient for beginners to get around the race course without breaking rules and inconveniencing other competitors. All the normal rules would still apply (and could be protested) but if a beginner follows the Beginners Rules, they are highly unlikely to be protested.
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gordon
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 12:22pm |
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As a very minor actor in the rules drafting process I would think it extremely unlikely that Racing Rules gave much consideration to the effect of their deliberations on dinghy handicap racing.
An example: When the Rule 18 working group redrafted rule 18 for the 2009 rewrite they did not take into consideration the use and abuse of the rule in team racing despite all members of the group being well known team racing umpires! |
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jeffers
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 12:38pm |
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Google has several sources and several wording of what he is purported to say, whichever one you us it is valid (IMO).
I know the rules allow this in certain circumstances and it takes great skill (unless you have a serious boat advantage) to sail another boat out of contention but it leaves a sour taste in my mouth when tactics like this are used. Hence why I said 'personally'. It is not a tactic I would ever consider using and there has been a backlash (certainly on this forum) when onstances have come to light. I seem to recall that the Fireball was also ina different start to the Phantom and waited around after their start to carry out their plan. As you have already said this has been done to death and there was no protest (aside from the Phantom sailor getting off the water and possibly considering seriously whether they should take part in that event again. I know I would be even though it is part of the game.
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 12:55pm |
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What is a shame, is that these separate events got an umbrella treatment such that the 'series' becomes more important than the individual events. I wonder if that actually puts some people off going to them?
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Rupert
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 1:10pm |
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We do seem to have travelled long way since the original idea for this thread - it appears to have morphed back into the one it came from, with added Tony Blair...
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 1:16pm |
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is there a simple set of guidelines to the Geneva Convention?
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Brass
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Posted: 27 Aug 14 at 1:50pm |
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