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    Posted: 10 Nov 05 at 12:09pm

Originally posted by MikeBz

Re. the 'Change is difficult, but we have to move forward.'  - that's a statement that nobody could possibly argue with.  Surely the point is, 'Is this moving forward?'

Yes, I reached for the sick bag when I saw that quote. It is a rhetorical device designed purely to paint the opposition in a negative light.

There was an excellent recent letter from Malcolm McKeag on Scuttlebutt on the corrupting effect of Olympic money on the ISAF. http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/archived_Detail.asp?key=32 20
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Originally posted by MikeBz

Re. the 'Change is difficult, but we have to move forward.'  - that's a statement that nobody could possibly argue with.  Surely the point is, 'Is this moving forward?'



Or perhaps "Am I sure that isn't a 200ft drop in front of me"

But it sounds as if ISAF have been given a stark choice - do what we say or you're out of the Olymics
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Originally posted by JimC

But it sounds as if ISAF have been given a stark choice - do what we say or you're out of the Olymics

Ah yes, the "closing the children's ward argument". "Give me more money or I'll have to close the children's ward. Imagine what people will say about that".

The question is, how would it look if the IOC threw out a major sport just to get better TV coverage? A hollow threat, I suspect.

  
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

[It is a rhetorical device designed purely to paint the opposition in a negative light.

Exactly what I was thinking, but you managed to put into words perfectly!

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This debate is all very well but the IOC, the TV Companies and corporate sponsors will dictate what happens, when it happens at the Olympics. The ISAF are trying to keep our sport as an olympic sport and to do that those who are coughing up the biggest slice of the cash will have the biggest say

Accept it and move on.

 

 
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This is all a very bad joke.  The Olympic Games should about top quality sport, not sacrificed for entertainment.

The discussion about the format is pretty irrelevant for 2008 anyway.  With the Beijing Olympics being sited in a wind-free venue, the event will be as interesting as watching paint dry.
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What hapens at the Olympics will in itself have very little impact on grass roots sailing. What worries me is the number of classes and clubs who will think it a good idea to use the same fomat for other events.

In much the same way - when the Olympic classes started using trapezoid courses to enable one committee to manage 2 fleets, lots of clubs started using this course for their club or fleet racing. Many people seemed to believe that because the course was used in the Olympics it was in sme way the "official" course.

 

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As long as the RO adopts the new format and includes the TV crew that
televises your local clubs Sunday race surely that'll be OK.
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Originally posted by Zaphod

This is all a very bad joke.  The Olympic Games should about top quality sport, not sacrificed for entertainment.

Correct but that ideal dissappeared many years ago ... now it is a circus.

All top level sport is driven by money - just look at what a mess the media has made of football.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

The question is, how would it look if the IOC threw out a major sport just to get better TV coverage? A hollow threat, I suspect.


They'd be throwing out an unpopular minority sport which would bring a huge and totally disproportianate reduction in the costs of staging the event. A big hit with just about everey city wishing to host the games I should think.
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