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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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I am loving the fact that there are those who want the HIN numbers because they might be potential future buyers (which given their general stance towards the Aero seems unlikely).
As if their interest is of more importance that that of the actual owner of one of the boats. If you think about it there is actually no reason why RS would publish the HINs to anyone other a dealer.
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The Moo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809 |
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So if I get to hear of a load of new cars on a container ship getting trashed in a storm and needing cosmetic repairs on arrival in the UK, can I expect the manufacturer to release the VIN numbers so that I can avoid purchasing one?
Come on lads, smell the coffee ☺ |
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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Spot on ![]() I worked in a car factory for twenty years and 15 to 20% of all cars have some sort of remedial work done at some point in the manufacturing process. All car factories even have a second plant shop just to do work on the cars after their completed. Does that make them " seconds" and do car makers discount them? I think not. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Would that stop some on a consumer car forum from asking the question, or indeed finding out and publishing it anyway?
But it's a very good analogy chaps- I guess we can leave it that some of us expect more integrity from the guys we'd buy our boats off than the typical stereotype in the motor trade. Edited by turnturtle - 18 Dec 14 at 7:51am |
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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I'm not sure it is a great analogy to be honest. Most cars are mass produced in frankly mind boggling volumes, in one of the most advanced production process systems in the world. In one of the leading industries in the world. Production processes are refined to the penny. Yes cars are refinished in the factory, but this is part of the QC process. Nothing wrong with that! Vehicles get damaged in transport, but very few in comparison to the volume sold. Sure enough to keep a few bodyshop at the docks in business, but in % terms it's negligible. Car manufacturers just wouldn't stand for it! Trust me!
Now the reason I have stayed out for this, is I understand RS position on this. There are issues when Hand making a racing dinghy. Even in rs numbers it's still a fairly cottage volume in comparison to other sports and certainly in terms of car manufacturer. So yes they will have to refinish as part of the manufacturer process. It's really a case of nothing to see here, however someone needs the sack for posting a video on youtube! Especially with a hull number range! Obviously people are welcome to challenge if they don't beleive. What they are being told! But I do wish all these people that seem quick to kill threads and shout others down would spend the time trying to think of new threads and perhaps how they could add value to discussions. I get you hate all this, but what are you doing to improve topics of conversation? |
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That's a harsh comment, EVERY single boat manufacturer refinishes there boats including one that have had transit damage whether in containers or on the road and none of them would publicly list numbers unless there was some sort of recall. It would be easier to publish hull numbers that have absolutely no refinishing for some manufacturers. The error was miss posting an internal network video, for which they apologised.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I think if RS were the sort of company that stepped away from their obligations, then consumers having a pop at them on a public forum would be fine. I think the way dodgy outfits like that lot that tried to flog light Lasers with different mast rake deserved the caning.
But these guys so far as my experience to date goes are not like that, any problems I've had they have dealt with albeit a little late at the Nationals and their aftermarket service with things like spares and flushing strip kits have been exemplary. I guess having spent so many years the other side of the coin, defending a brand against similar fanboy spoil attempts on the kite forum I'm especially sensitive when I see it being delivered here and if it were justified I'd be in there pitching along with the best/worse of them. As I see it other than some stupid blunders and someone needing a course in social media marketing (I'm available for a small fee) I don't see anything wrong here. Sure they have a bit of a nineties elitist methodology that does leave them open to criticism for over the topism, but hell that's not a crime against humanity. These are breakthrough boats, they are very polished, and they're being delivered without having to go offshore which frankly I think is bloody marvellous. And oh dear the dirty rotten b**tards are making a profit doing it, how very dare they? Dinghy sailors! Who'd try and profit from them. |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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I'm finding that I'm agreeing with iGRF more and more ..... must be an age thing.
Fortunately for RS here and other 'targets of opportunity' on other occasions most out there sensibly draw their own conclusions. Routine and regular 'sledging' is not the most attractive virtue and is often highly counter productive whether in private or especially in public. It is perhaps inevitable that most will support their own choices or views - of course. But a few here give the impression that 'rubbishing' the initiatives, products, motives and responses of others somehow makes their own choices more rational or 'right'. It does not. Mike L. |
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L123456 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 500 |
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this is a forum; we can discuss what we like ...
When you release stuff on multiple social media channels ... the pull it you can expect it to attract attention. It looks like you have something to hide when you pull content. it is a great technique for creating discussion as this thread demonstrates. Clearly releasing that video was unintentional; but it was released anyway. The video showed a repair technique; two boats in the video were being repaired. The video also detailed a wide range of HINs. If this was done to show some overseas dealer how to fix a damaged shipment of a couple of containers no problem, nothing to see here ... if that video would also be useful to show how to fix "crash" damage on the water then great leave it up. Anyone who thinks introducing products like this without problems that would be naive; even with all the resources in the motor industry they still have many recalls and fixes after market. It's not a matter that you have a problem it is how you keep your audience informed and what you do to fix the problem. An example is the terrible way BMW/Mini dealt with the power steering issue or all those guys at Toyota wringing their hand when they has that brake issue. With the internet these days the truth always comes out ...
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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But Graeme with respect sailboats (I am not their biggest fan fyi) apologised and admitted they had made a mistake. Much like rs did, I think we are all unanimous that it was a mistake on rs behalf. Hell they are allowed, after all they are human! But I don't understand why you think it's ok to hang one company you know nothing about for making a mistake (sailboats) but defend another? One which promotes it's products almost exclusively nowadays via social media. So once there is a social media cock up, I guess you live and die by the sword! Now like I said earlier, I beleive RS made a mistake. I actually understand their point around refinishing. Like in my previous post, they are hand made and I would expect there to be an element of QC. I would also expect a manufacturer like RS to carry out final checks and repairs to my new boat prior to me owning it. It's part of their manufacture process and nothing wrong with that! As for the fanboy-ism, you need to take a long hard look Graeme! Perhaps a re-read. I post what I post, not because I think the aero is a bad boat. Actually far from it I have been impressed with what I have seen. But fundamentally disagree with some of the claims made and am vocal about it. Hell as a consumer that's my perogative. I made my decision and bought a competitor product. I understand that some people here don't like my style, or even me personally because it doesn't fit in with their agenda. Whatever, I have plenty of mates so I won't lose ANY sleep over it. |
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