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    Posted: 05 Sep 11 at 8:00pm
Your comments Rogue sound like a rationale why dinghy sailing is great and all this industry involvement sounds like b**locks to me. Rupert, I see you did well in cvrda.....lots of industry involvement there! and Supernova and Lightning Nationals were both won without any manufacture involvement. I think Rogue should get a better look at the dinghy scene.
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I've looked... thanks, not interested anymore. Ringers and Industry workers are welcome to the titles... Fairly meaningless in the grand scheme of things when you're pushing up daisies.

I was simply sharing a different point of view that saw 300 compete another 100 join in recreationally, it seems to work and despite the same economic gloom (and a marginal forecast) continues to grow year on year.

I'm really not up for a row on the topic... as I said, take a step away, look over your shoulder and you'll also see what a peculiar little oddity dinghy racing has become.
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There isn't really one dinghy scene though is there... Within 10 miles of where I work there is one medium and one very large reservoir sailing club, at least one gravel bit and a about three river clubs, each with quite different fleets, one with a 100 year old class, another with a fleet of one little class I've virtually never heard of anywhere else for thirty years and so on... About the only thing they all have in common is that they are affiliated to the RYA and use the same racing rules.
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An 86 year old (as we have at our club) pottering in his Mirror, and Olympians sailing 49ers and flying round the world to compete against the best sailors. Yet it is the same sport, and port gives way to startboard in both cases.

 
Yes, there are things wrong with it, though I'm not sure most of the things mentioned above are that far wrong, but in general the variety is both its strength and a joy to look upon. I also like the fact that in general there is very little "industry" in the dinghy sailing industry, and that often the people who are building the boats come and sail them, too.
 
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Originally posted by rogue


- At most dinghy class nationals they have a measurement tent, at the NWF they had a beer tent.  

Most of them? Really?

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Originally posted by alstorer

 
Originally posted by rogue

- At most dinghy class nationals they have a measurement tent, at the NWF they had a beer tent.  


Most of them? Really?



Indeed the only "measurement tent" I ever saw was at the Tasar Nationals.....and it was a garage...........
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They even had a measurement tent at the youth nationals... For Lasers FFS!

Yes dinghy sailing is very 'establishment' and yes, it does have an image problem.
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It's difficult unless you have the hindsight of various organised 'sports' to make a judgement call on what's 'right' or 'wrong' but I think it is true to say things were a tad more lighthearted in the past, much the same way that Jimbo's new found enthusiasm for that recent windsurfing event, itself an attempt to regain what used to be the norm at regattas.
But that event is the only event they have, hence its popularity, there are no great numbers of windsurfing clubs at all corners of the country, they're race events are similarly regimented to dingy events but all classes are forced to race simultaneously at one of perhaps half a dozen events around the country and it's mainly kids supported by parents all safely tucked up in the camper van by 9.
It wasn't always this way, there were times of beer & cigarette sponsors, mass numbers and great racing in big fleets, but those days are long gone, it's a great sport windsurfing but there's no land of sun filled uplands with Rainbows end to look forward to as there once appeared to be. Or so it seems to a cynical old buffer, not that there's anything like that in dinghy world, there's just more diversity and it hasn't evolved much in the twenty years since Assyms first appeared so maybe it's got more potential for change than might first seem apparent than windsurfing and maybe not, but to me it's new and refreshing in the same way jimbos new event is a change and refreshing, horses for courses...
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Originally posted by Rupert

An 86 year old (as we have at our club) pottering in his Mirror, and Olympians sailing 49ers and flying round the world to compete against the best sailors. Yet it is the same sport, and port gives way to startboard in both cases.

 
Yes, there are things wrong with it, though I'm not sure most of the things mentioned above are that far wrong, but in general the variety is both its strength and a joy to look upon. I also like the fact that in general there is very little "industry" in the dinghy sailing industry, and that often the people who are building the boats come and sail them, too.
 

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Rogue you're coming across as GRF the troll's apologist here and spouting all this "look how great windsurfing is why can't dighy sailing be like that" stuff ain't helping the comparison. 

I think I get it guys, you like wind surfing, congratulations! I like cycling, fishing, tennis and wind surfing as well as sailing too - we all got other interests (or many of us have). 

Isn't the real problem that neither of you ever got to the front of any class you've owned (and by the looks of it there's been many) and that frustrates the heck out of you and you want to have a lash out every now and then... why not just admit to yourselves that you're not the all conquering sailing gods you want to be because you don't put enough time in and you're not good enough? that works for me, I go sailing and racing because I like it and I have ....... FUN!

.....in a thread about who's the best national champ I like some of the posts above and I don't think it's x pages of tosh, except for all the trolling and off-on-a-tangent stuff that for some reason got spouted and then replied to.  I admire the time, effort and financial commitment some people will put in, like Andy Davis, and readily accept that I won't commit either that sort of time or money cos it doesn't suit me to do it, so I won't carp about their acheivments and bash on about how sailing should be more like xxxxxxxx sport instead and why life isn't fair and why it's raining not sunny .......


rant, rant, rant.... woke up too darn early today, stupid weather!
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