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    Posted: 10 Mar 09 at 9:28am

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Why 2 sails?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 09 at 10:36am
jib could be very handy, I've wondered about this on moths (although will freely admit to being too lardy to have sailed a foiling one!) - should help with the flow over the back of the mainsail especially in the transition phase between foiling & non-foiling. Could really help downwind in this respect and possibly allow much larger angles. I thought the main on the show boat was quite a full cut (but I'm no expert), and sail dev was something mentioned as work in progress.
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Steve: according to Linton at the show, the jib was specified by Phil Morrison early on, and was inspired by ICs. The idea seems to be both to enable people to "sail to the jib" (hoping to attract double-hander sailors) and also to generate more power lower down.
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Does the foil ventilate due to proximity to the surface, or due to increase in velocity?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robinft Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 10:00am

Originally posted by Peaky

Does the foil ventilate due to proximity to the surface, or due to increase in velocity?

Great question which I certainly can't answer but as a complete layman I did wonder if water flow is attached over the whole of the upper surface at low speed and then detaches leaving flow over 2 thirds and then one third as speed rises - hence the steps. The bottom surface is completely flat.

It would be interesting to try the Tomahawk foils on a Moth, rather than simply compare the two boats as is.

 

 

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My guess is that it'll ventilate as the foil nears the surface and the hydrostatic pressure drops. Below that you'll have lots of drag off the transverse ridges - a bit like the step on the Cherub on the Spy Photos thread, actually.

The Cherub's drag will drop as planing is achieved, and I'm thinking the stepped foil's drag might drop once ventilation occurs. Again, interesting stuff, and l look forward to seeing how it works out in practice against conventional planing boats. My guess is slower in F1, 2 & low 3, quicker thereafter - till it's weed-bound. Anyone know how the foiling Moths cope with weed, or are they so quick and their foils so sharp they just cut through it?

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I have head of foilers having problems with large carp on small lakes in aus and the states when they hit them at top speed, a large fish can wreck a boat, and the fish doesent fair to well either.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 12:47pm

Originally posted by hollandsd

and the fish doesent fair to well either

You've got me worrying about the damage my daggerboard may be causing now.

Certainly used to worry me when grebes dived ahead of our passing when we were in Holland, but they always seemed to pop up behind us again. Then again, they're probably smarter than fish.

Another case for highly-raked foils...

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the fish can aparently hear a normal boat coming due the inherant noises produced when planing, but when a foiler moves through the water its so quiet and fast the fish dont know what hits them.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tgruitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by hollandsd

the fish can aparently hear a normal boat coming due the inherant noises produced when planing, but when a foiler moves through the water its so quiet and fast the fish dont know what hits them.



Are fish intelligent enough to know the difference between a normal boat and a foiler?
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