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All true, I was simplifying. I was looking into the question of whether there were windy years (or even decades) the other day, to see whether that may have been a cause behind the trend in PY deflation in sub 1100 boats. Data is very generalised, but I did find this paper that shows that wind speeds have been dropping over the last 50 years or so on average, maybe by a couple of knots. Here is one figure from it. ![]() |
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And these figures that show more recent years.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Pretty sure JimC has mentioned windy/less windy years.
If many of the returns come from inland, maybe look at weed growth too. Must be worse for fast boats? |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Is there a graph for Sundays? Average speed down by a couple of knots?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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NickM99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 26 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 145 |
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In club racing, well sailed slow boats will always be disadvantaged by having to duel with poorly sailed fast boats, but in small club fleets you can usually find clear air. I have been wondering if, in the Great lakes series with a large fleets and a lot of dirty air, this could be a factor in some more generous handicaps for slower boats compared to the PY handicap.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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I'm struggling with your reasoning. Having thought about your rather long sentence I can only assume that you assumed that I was assuming ![]() |
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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I am pretty sure that having the system pinned to a Laser would not work. Currently for each race the system calculates a correlation between the finish times for each of the boats in that race, and their handicap, this results in a better than PY or worse than PY for each boat. (excluding the very poor performers) If you have a load of Lasers in that fleet then great you can have a correlation back to the Laser base number. However if you only have a small number of abnormally performing Lasers then that fleet to Laser correlation will be skewed, which messes up all the results. If you have no Lasers in your fleet then you have to do the correlation between all the boats on the day the same as the current system. I can't see how relating everything to one class would help anything, it would just add a layer of complexity and additional oppertunities for error. |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Blaze (very slow to tack) is not as suited as you lose more tacking on a shift than you would by ignoring it. Did you ever get to one of the CA training weekends ? No I did not think so .... You never quite got the hang of it Paul did you .... !!
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Can anyone remember 'Firefly being the pin boat ? Did it work ? Why was fixed boat system abandoned ?
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