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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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You can't be prosecuter and judge. The RC can protest, but a protest committee entirely separate must decide the outcome.
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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wot he said ^
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Agreed.
No need for protest committee, inform miscreant boat that they have broken a rule and need to do penalty, only if they disagree do you need to recourse to a protest committee. |
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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I disagree. You are just setting the wrong example, as per Brass's comprehensive reply above.
New sailors at your events will gain the impression that sailing is a referee'd sport, and the general ethos will shift further towards one where people follow the rules only when they can see they are being observed. On the water judging has its place in the sport, but it's a very specific niche. The whole essence of the sport is that it is self policing, particularly at club fleet level. You may feel you have sufficient expert resource to police to this level and retain a level playing field. I don't believe you have, and I certainly don't think our club has! As an aside, if you believe you have observed a "miscreant" sailor touch a mark (for instance), and you send a boat over, how would the conversation then typically run?
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Which sounds like an attempt at an amended Arbitration Process.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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OhFFsake and sargesail,
I may not be the one who spotted boats error, however, if safety boat radios a protest that they have seen or a racer has reported to them, I will instruct safety boat to go and inform culprit they have been protested, would they at their earliest opportunity do their turns, if they dispute this it will have to go to a protest hearing. Where in this statement is their an attempt to change Arbitration process ?
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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423 Zero. I'm now very confused about what you are saying takes place. Is this boat on boat? Or just confined to sailing the course/touching the mark?
At 1124 you appear to suggest that the RC is offering an opinion on whether a boat infringed and then inviting it do to a turn/turns, correct its course or retire. Which sound a lot like the outcome of arbitration...if not the process to get there.
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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Is this not a distraction from the safety boats prime duty?
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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Presumably if it's windy enough for the safety boats to be occupied in their primary duty, then anything goes?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Sargesail,
Confined to touching a Mark or incorrect course, anything else is up to racers and protest committee.
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