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    Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 10:57pm
I heard a while ago that the oppy class rules or at least the notice of race for their champoinships were changed to state specificaly that you cannot carry mobile phones or radios in the boat because the parents kept phoning them to tell them what to do?

One of the funiest thingst Ive ever heard 'oppy parent' related was from the parents sat on the balcony at Rock SC (full of yuppies but a fantastic place to sail) a couple of summers ago during their junior camel week. I finished the race, packed up and was sat in the sun with a beer (a half, I was only a young'un) when one of the hordes of parents came up to me and loudly anounced that she wanted me to appologise to her son for 'porting him' during the race. I didnt have a clue what she was on about untill a very embarased child came up to me later and appologised for his mother. Turns out he'd mentioned having to tack out of my way whilst being on port on the beat and she got the wrong idea and nearly took it to the race committee!
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what have u got against oppies?
But yeah the oppie parents do take things WAY too seriously!
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The parents are the worst part of the youth classes. I was at my club waitin to get picked up the other week after a powerboat course and there just happend to be an oppie training event at the same time, seriously it is a sad sight

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I agree with you. I am 16 now and a tad chubbier than i should be. Roughly measurin in at 6 foot 3 and 13 stone ish. I am there fore too big for the radial which is the "Youth Class". Also the fact that i do not want arthritic knees helps my decision to sail what i think in my opinion suits me. Which is the breathtaking Laser 4000 which has astronomical speed up and down hill, and also helps me express my very physical sailing style. By this i mean being able to hike a laser 2000 flat in force 4 winds gusting 5 by myself!! God i hurt afterwoods. But it was well worth it
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Originally posted by HannahJ

owain? They were in Plas Menai werent they? Two of my friends went...

 

I went to that, it wasnt the youths it was the howard davies memorial, it was also really good, apart from the fact that our coach had never sailed a GP14 in his life  i wasnt saying i want to sail GP14s, i was jus sayin that i dont agree with the RYA pushing youths to sail certain classes.

 

By the way hannahJ, who were ur friends that went to that week thing?


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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

I'd also assume you can tune mast stiffness and sail shape to match weight. The Europe women certainly did so, while in the Radial they obviously cannot.

Indeed, and it naturally follows that a class of hull with a broader competitive weight tolerance would have more rigs to suit (change gear) a broader range of sailors. One with a tighter weight range would obviously better optimise around one.

Im not so sure about the Europe but I thought, correct me if Im wrong.......... in the old days of aluminium masts, the cross sectional dimensions were fixed, and stiffness was given by how much aluminium went into the section, so a given flexibilty fore and aft had to be balanced by a similar lateral flexing. You choose the lateral flex for your weight and there should be a mast to fit. Then as C/fibre developed (and the Europe class, if nothing else has given us all plenty of development) manufacturers found that lateral stiffness could be delivered without compromising its longitudinal ability to flex, i.e. bend and depower. The weight of the helm could then be balanced on the sail, by means of fullness, height of fullness and leech tension. Changing a sail being more cost effective than a mast, the masts have become more uniform.

Im sure Jons reason is true also, and this, as well as the above has been mirrored in many other classes. Take the OK...... hull has a high tolerance of 12-15 stone, rigs in aluminium used to be classed into 3 groups, red/green/blue (I think?). Now the've taken Carbonfibre on its just one with a variety of sails. The finns the same, covered by 2 rigs over a massive weight range.. The Europe with a 20kilo range is by comparison quite small.
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Even though the Europe could tune their rig the girls tended to favour the rig of the people who were performing well and thus ended up matching their weight... So the spread of weights remained small (comparable to the Laser!)
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Originally posted by Bumble

The finn is naturally tolerant of a wide range of weights due to high dispacement and a hull shape which, under loading, increases imersion without proportionally increasing waterline beam.

I'd also assume you can tune mast stiffness and sail shape to match weight. The Europe women certainly did so, while in the Radial they obviously cannot.
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Also in jons defence, i dont think its a case of being reasonable for ppl to train using protein suppliments. The ones reccomended by the rya were considered and tested in the highest respect before being given the go ahead for anyones use.  And it is the sailors choice, they are not force fed anything.
As for what i experienced at the 800 nats, on the first day no it wasnt minimal winds, (upwind) most boats were single wiring with the crew sometimes peaking out, where as irish + gotrel were able to be twin (almost flat wiring!!).  and for a boat where i would consider the optimum weight being somewhat less than theirs, it can be clearly stated that their speed was due to pure skill!!  not their correct weight to boat ratio!
Another good example of weight NOT being a huge issue would be steve Restall any time he sails a topper.  Through the complete wind range he is rarely seen out of the top 5 and he would be considered massively overweight. (around the 12 stone mark i believe)
I myself am 64kg and sail an RS600 where i myself am considered massively underweight yet down to much much practice i can happily handle the boat and yes keep competative boatspeed in the top wind range. 
Ive never known anyone to win because they were "the right weight", ive seen many people win because they were the better sailor!
And another thing on being "the right weight" , i think its fair to say that the right weight has pretty much been dictated from whoevers winning the most in that class.  so called optimum weights are forever fluctuating due to who's currently top in the considered class.

please dont take this as a heated reponse, im not up on hydro/aerodynamic theory so this really is JUST an opinion based purely on what ive seen first hand.
lets keep it going, i like hearing what people have to say on this weight issue
im pretty certain that thers a lot more opinions to be heard yet

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