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    Posted: 08 Mar 15 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by Dougaldog

Gordon, a spot on analysis! When I was working as an RO out in OZ, there was a very strict 'no alcohol afloat' rule applied to all of the race team boats. You got soft drinks and a nice packed lunch, seeing that the team are the 'first afloat, last ashore' it was nice to be well taken care off. Compare that with an (un-named) club in the UK who baulked at providing anything for the race team on the grounds of 'cost'! Is it any wonder that it can be hard to properly resource all the various jobs in the team!
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this reflects my  experience of operational and clinical management roles with a large CQC registered charity , despite the costs  in training  volunteers, providing their expenses and subsistence plus providing hundreds of thousands of pounds of  equipment  ( in some cases providing hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of kit to a single site )  paying  a reasonable daily  rate   at cost was far too much for some  never mind  trying to charge a surplus generating  price for commercial events to enable  genuine community  events with a need for charitable service provision  to be offered free or at cost  cover  depending on  corporate structure ( there are issues with  charities  transferring money or  services at less than cost price  depending on the exact  purposes and articles of the charities in volved)
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If you look after volunteers you will find that there are people who will run racing, lay marks, run safety boats, who are not now active racers.

For instance, it was noticeable at RYA Race Officials Conference a few years back when Marklayers were invited for the first time just how many of them were not from a sailing background, but were ex forces, power boaters, sea anglers....

The same applies for many tasks when running a big event. At my local club some of the sailing members were fond of a game of bridge. This has developed in to a flourishing bridge club, with many people now club house members who have no link with sailing. It is surprising how many get involved when we run a regatta. No sailing experience is required to make sandwiches, run the BBQ or even run the tally board on the slipway along with many other duties.


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All good points but running the tally board on a sunny Sunday is a far cry from mark laying in the pi$$ing rain in January or February.  If you don't provide a nice, free-of-charge cup 'o soup to those volunteers, then you really are taking the mick IMO!!
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Originally posted by JimC

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Oh good grief, that's just got to be challenged. Takers not givers indeed. What nonsense.

Doing circuit events is in itself a different kind of giving to the sport, especially if you're one of the 90% who isn't taking home the glassware. My club for one values the people who come to our open events, take the trouble to travel, bring an extra dimension to those of our class members who aren't able to travel. If you don't think that committment is giving something to the sport you need to look at yourself very hard. It sure as hell is giving something to our club that people are prepared to take the time and trouble to travel to our opens, to pay us an entry fee over their own club or RYA subscriptions and everything else. We're glad to see them and the more of these "takers" the better.

At different stages in your life its appropriate to do different things. Last time I was campaigning on the circuit semi seriously I was a member of a club, but I didn't contribute anything to it but my club fees. We did the occasional tuning weekend, but that was it, no duties, nothing like that.

Now though I have more time than I did then, and I get to the majority of my current clubs opens and I try and provide a reasonably efficient results service and some hopefully not too dreadful photos on the screen at lunchtime and on the website, which I hope makes the day better for the competitors. I'm not a giver now and a taker then, I'm the same damn person, just a different stage in life and different opportunities.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC

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Oh good grief, that's just got to be challenged. Takers not givers indeed. What nonsense.

Doing circuit events is in itself a different kind of giving to the sport, especially if you're one of the 90% who isn't taking home the glassware. My club for one values the people who come to our open events, take the trouble to travel, bring an extra dimension to those of our class members who aren't able to travel. If you don't think that committment is giving something to the sport you need to look at yourself very hard. It sure as hell is giving something to our club that people are prepared to take the time and trouble to travel to our opens, to pay us an entry fee over their own club or RYA subscriptions and everything else. We're glad to see them and the more of these "takers" the better.

At different stages in your life its appropriate to do different things. Last time I was campaigning on the circuit semi seriously I was a member of a club, but I didn't contribute anything to it but my club fees. We did the occasional tuning weekend, but that was it, no duties, nothing like that.

Now though I have more time than I did then, and I get to the majority of my current clubs opens and I try and provide a reasonably efficient results service and some hopefully not too dreadful photos on the screen at lunchtime and on the website, which I hope makes the day better for the competitors. I'm not a giver now and a taker then, I'm the same damn person, just a different stage in life and different opportunities.

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Seconded.

Remember anyone who sails as RYA is a personal member of the RYA so they are contributing just directly to our governing body rather than through a club.

I can see precisely how financially it makes sense to not join a club if you are never there especially given the cost of membership of some clubs.
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