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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Jim, completely agree, Tiger Trophy is a good example of a top-notch sailor in a good boat. Ref FB's, the two things I've always liked about helming and crewing them is that they are i)very well thought out, with good, reliable controls ii)are sufficiently stable to give you a few vital seconds to get control over whatever would chuck you in, or have you in dire straights, in other, equally performance-orientated boats |
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Sharing a course with Assys is nothing. In my 470 days we sometimes shared a course with Tornados. Interesting times when they came in on port at the ww mark, tacked and parked for a fortnight when you want to bear off onto the run.
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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in my experience handicap racing teaches you to spot these idiosyncrasies earlier and develop that side of the sport faster than even one design does.
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chris_wht ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 50 |
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surely this is a problem for all of a couple of seconds for you? As soon as the kites up a pulling then they should be sailing past you anyway and you can go about your business, high, low, whatever. I cant think of many non-kite boats that would stick with a kited one at that angle for long enough for it to be an issue, and if your sailing a sym kite boat, then i guess you too would be in a flap hoisting and this wouldnt be an issue. of course you could always tack inside at the WW mark, or get there first ![]()
sailing proper course i believe its called, which would have been preceded by an inside overlap, followed by application of Rule 11. The leward boat should have enough room to manouver, which would imply luffing enough to get the kite filled. I think you would probably be asked what you were doing trying to drop down on them? Edited by chris_wht - 04 Feb 15 at 6:43pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The time and distance thing will be a problem in light winds, where the kite won't fill when yu go deep, and chances are a single sailed boat will stick with you.
Agree the assy boat is in the right, but that it is a real weak point in rules not designed for mixed boat racing. |
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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No, it's called being a pillock. If you stop your boat shortly after the windward in a flap to get your kite and force boats rounding with you to either sail high or hit you, you can't expect people to tolerate being taken miles off their proper course. Wait for a gap - or at lest the one or two boats on top of you to go past - then go up. It might cost you two places on the water, rather than completely stuffing boats that are thrashing you on corrected time anyway. "The leeward boat should have time to manoever" The windward boat needs to be given room and opportunity to keep clear. Even more so when you doing something he won't necessarily expect. If you round the mark and dive off to leeward, then you're signalling that you intend to sail low, take an initial hit and make a comeback at the next mark. Unless the boats rounding at the same time have had an opportunity to identify what class you are (At a busy, breezy rounding it's entirely possible that they won't have) the last thing you'd expect someone diving down low to do is luff right up 10 seconds later. Give and take. I've seen this happen to others dozens of times, and had it happen to me once or twice.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Don't assume they are thrashing on corrected times - I was 2 laps ahead when it happened to me ;-)
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Seems to me that part of good big race tactics is to be aware of everything going on near the mark and adjust your mark rounding accordingly. I reckon the Laser who evaluates the situation well and doesn't get snaggled up with the asymmettric boat deserves to gain a few boats lengths on the guy who fails to get a handle on the developing situation.
You could even argue that for the asymmettric boat to give a get out of jail free to the bloke who sailed to an unwise position is unfair to the folks who sailed the situation better. As for stopping to let another boat go through: isn't the inevitable result of that interference with even more boats as the next few come round? I think in complicated situations its best to just sail your own race as well as you can manage, because that's what the astute sailors around you will be expecting and allowing for. Edited by JimC - 04 Feb 15 at 8:57pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Well said Jim, still doesn't stop them thinking 'you ruined their race' when you get back ashore 😳
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chris_wht ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 50 |
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no, being a pillock is getting yourself in a situation where your stuck on the outside of boat(s) at the windward mark, and thinking that your race is so much more important than theirs that they should stop and wait for you to go around them and sort yourself out. and anyway, who takes you miles off your course, you could always stop and wait for them to pop out from underneath you |
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