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    Posted: 02 Nov 05 at 4:54pm

Team racing would be great as an olympic sport (and it would be nice to see the Firefly back as an olympic class after 60 years!)and there would be plenty of action, but as for being obvious who is winning for the spectator, they would have to understand all the winning combinations to work out what was going on. I suppose an expert commentator would help, but it would for fleet racing, too.

As for the original proposal... Maybe professional wrestling should be an olympic sport instead? It has everything they are looking for...
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If they can make cricket interesting on the telly with a bit of electronics, then it should not be too complicated to work out an on screen display to show which team is winning.

 

Could be fun - with microphones on the umpires boats, video analysis of mark roundings, protests etc.

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That's what the proposal is about. It's about taking the leading boats into
a head to head showdown. With on the water umpires which undoubtedly
have microphones. Now as far as I see it, what ever boat you sail, fast or
slow, that will be very exciting. (just though I'd bring it back on track as
we'd driffted a bit :-)
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Originally posted by Cheeky

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

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Actually, we are collectively watching less TV than we used to,
especially the ABC1s the advertisers are interested in. More and more
channels, fewer and fewer viewers.



Where did you get this from? You work for Mori?

It's a well-established trend. People are wasting their time in front of PCs instead of wasting their time in front of the TV. Especially people with broadband. And as it happens, yes I do have access to and interest in some of the audience research in this area.

 
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

A significant proportion - I believe that it's actually a majority - of ISAF's funding is from the olympics, and so, to a degree, they are beholden to the IOC to establish a format which agrees with the IOC's aims.

Interesting. I've looked at the ISAF annual reports and they do indeed get a large proportion of their funding from the Olympics. That certainly explains a lot.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Cheeky

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[QUOTE=Mags

Actually, we are collectively watching less TV than we used to,
especially the ABC1s the advertisers are interested in. More and more
channels, fewer and fewer viewers.



Where did you get this from? You work for Mori? [/
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It's a well-established trend. People are wasting their time in front of
PCs instead of wasting their time in front of the TV. Especially people with
broadband. And as it happens, yes I do have access to and interest in
some of the audience research in this area.


 




from the BFI - Author Phil Wickman... I've cut it down a bit.

People continue to watch the same amount of TV but it is spread over a
huge array of channels and programmes. Half of the nation glued to The
Morecambe and Wise Show, an episode of Steptoe and Son, or a soap
opera is not the way of our world anymore. We make individual choices
and schedule our own viewing as we wish. This brings us freedom but it
can also be argued that it makes us understand each other less, as we
can no longer rely on having the same cultural co-ordinates, no matter
what our other differences.


it all depends how you read your data.

I'm sure AC Neilsen will give you a different persepective if you are
paying.

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Anyway, back to the subject of the thread. It looks like the proposal is going ahead.

From http://www.sailing.org/default.asp?ID=j1/Fh06/l describing the ISAF conference. It would be nice to know what the sailors said but we aren't told.

The Olympic Debate

The debate centred around late submission 025 and in particular the issue of discards and the weighting of race results. Chairman of the ISAF Classes Committee Jeff MARTIN (GBR) joined the debate to give the view of the Olympic classes, whilst Olympic gold medallist and two-time ISAF Rolex World Sailor of the Year Sofia BEKATOROU (GRE) gave a sailor’s opinion on the proposals. Olympic Format Working Party chair Kim ANDERSEN (DEN) also gave the benefit of the research undertaken, whilst supporting submission 025.

As expected the debate was in depth and lengthy, with the Committee deciding to support submission 025, but with votes on two provisos. First they approved an amendment to change the range of races for which the discard can be applied from 1-5 to 1-10 (1-15 for the 49er).

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There then followed a motion based around the proposed results weighting to provide a decisive final race in which the medals will be decided. There was divided opinion on the issue and a proposal to support submission 025, but a second amendment stating there will be no weighted races, was tabled. Responding to some of the doubters in the room, chairman Bjorn UNGER was clear that, 'Change is difficult, but we have to move forward.' It seemed that his words correlated with the views of the majority, as the second amendment was rejected. The Committee will now report to the ISAF Council on the submission, who will make the final decision on the 2008 Olympic Sailing Competition Format in their meetings from 10-12 November.

 
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Can we also expect the decathlon (and heptathlon etc.) scoring system to be changed such that the final event decides (or is weighted in order to contrive to decide) the medals?

Re. the 'Change is difficult, but we have to move forward.'  - that's a statement that nobody could possibly argue with.  Surely the point is, 'Is this moving forward?'

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Originally posted by turnturtle



a bit of a contradiction rupert- it would be terrible for viewing if you don't know the combinations- first not last, matching pairs... it took me a while to get the feel for our situation when I first starting teaming at uni.  Bottom line is that 2,4,5 wins but it looks like you're losing.

that said the GBR boys could become very cocky and start the old simultaneous tacking up the final beat of the S in a 1,2,3... now that would make good TV!

 

Um, last time I checked 2, 4, 5, looked like you're losing - and you were...!!

(unless of course the others have a dsq...)

Which university was this??!!
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I think this will have a detrimaental effect on the sport as a whole. You don't see the olympic commitee asking the javelin shot, and hammer throwers only being allowed 1 throw, an the jumpers being allowed 1 jump.

or why don't we make other "boring to watch" sports more exciting, by combing trap shhoting with equstrian. taking pot shots at the horses and riders, that'd make the TV audience more exited!?

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