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    Posted: 07 Jun 09 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by endoscool

There have regularly been 3 wooden boats finishing
in the top 10 at the Nationals giving Steve Cockerill and Ian Jones (Battle
of Classes winners & Streaker National Champions) a run for their money;
the fastest of these being home built and without a false floor. This does
cannot support the assertion that the current FRP boats are a leap
forward in performance.

That's good to hear. I actually think that should be more publicised.

Originally posted by endoscool

knocking off 30 from the Streaker PY because it
"Seems right" is going to thoughtlessly screw up the relative
performances of at least the Solo and Streaker.


That's just rubbish. From my understanding, the RYA welcomes clubs to
play with handicap numbers as it helps them to gain comparative py data
to work from.
As has been previously said, one boat at one club realistically isn't going
to make bugger all difference to the official py rating. However, it WILL
be rather interesting.

As it's a new boat to the club, towards the end of the year the results will
be analysed. I'd like to be able to talk to them with a good knowledge of
comparative py's from other classes and possibly data from other clubs.
To be honest, I'd expect that from any club.
Downs S.C. has rescaled many of the boats py's in relation to how they
deal with the tide (correct me if I'm wrong there) and It's worked out very
well for the club and they're all quite happy with the system.

If my py gets slammed, it will be a fun challenge because If I still win with
a much lower py, I can be rather egotistically smug to myself...... Sad I
know but I'm young and I'm entitled to my arrogance   
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On the 2nd of January  at NSSC, the country's third best Laser was beaten on handicap by a 70 year old sailing a streaker. To make matters worse the Laser had led the race from start to finish and was sailing in clear air. The streaker on the other hand, was being hampered by two other Lasers and a second streaker.
It's about time the streaker class clean it's act up and admit that the new version of the streaker bears little resemblence to the "classic" version and should be given a completely different PY number.
If not they are in danger of separating their fleet. Old boats will no longer be desirable as the newer boats gradually lower the class handicap.

Below is how the streaker sailor saw the race. Look for 01/1/11
http://www.streakerramblings.blogspot.com/
I find his "if you can't beat them, join them" comment quite interesting.
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Oh please! Not another 'that boat's a bandit' based on 1 race. Give it a rest.
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Thank you for your useful input.
 Far from being one race, it is more like two years that I have been putting up with these "bandits" as you call them,  And no I will not be giving it a rest until something is done about it. The whole point of the py system is to equalise boats and as far as I can see It has failed badly in respect of the streaker. If a boat becomes unbeatable then there is very little enjoyment in sailing against them. To the detriment of our sport.
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What is NSSC? Is it a small lake, the sea, or what? If the streaker is well suited to the water, either expect it to sail above handicap, or get the club to analyse the results and see if local changes are needed. The overall handicap will reflect the boat being sailed in conditions where it does poorly, too. Yes, the newer boats will be faster, but that applies to almost all classes, including Lasers, if to a lesser extent. (stiff hull, new sail, XD controls)
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If you had trod these boards more you'd realise that the sort of "xyz class is a bandit" rant you started does tend to rapidly go downhill. Respectfully suggest you think about using more measured language. sl*gging off a class because a 70 year old bloke does well against a Laser hot shot doesn't really sit well either. Perhaps if you want to exchange insults with other sailors you might want to check out Sailing Anarchy.

Rupert's suggestion about local adjustment of handicaps is of course spot on.
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I think Nssc is unique in that we have our own inland lake, a beach venue and keelboat sailing out of the marina. My experience of the streaker has been both on the lake and in open seas. The only time it is possible to beat them is in a force 4 and up when the conditions start to get the better of the helms.
I am bitter about this as the over beneficial handicap is reducing my enjoyment of what is otherwise a fantastic sport.
On the sea a streaker took 90% of the club cups this year. If training to the extent of an olympic sailor can't beat a streaker, then what chance do the rest of us have?

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I don't see any insults. Just me being very angry over something.
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I shall take your suggestion of local adjustments up with our sailing committee. Thank you.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 11 at 5:49pm
Steve, well said pal.  Welcome to the forum, its obvious you are passionate and a little wound up about this.  First off we have had countless debates, arguments whatever you want to call them here about various dinghy PY's (yes the new streaker is one of the few) Unfortunately all your get is frustration and a load of statistical nonsense spat at you by posting about it on here.  
you need to get your club to locally adjust the PY to suit your local range of conditions and you also need to get your club to complete returns, if it doesn't then it aint gonna change pal.

The facts are nearly every dog has its day when the conditions suit, however there are some classes (generally old classes that have had a modern revamp) which suit the UK's prevalent wind and water conditions.  Apparently banditry is a method of marketing new boats nowadays. 

Why don't you ask the streaker class what PY they recommend for the new boats, then put the suggestion forward to your sailing committee??
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