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    Posted: 07 May 22 at 11:41am
You must be a scientist ;)

Just because you can’t measure it or didn’t observe it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

This is the action as of 5 minutes ago.  No one racing or in organised training, just out for a good time.
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That's Chew. Two events on their calendar today....
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Originally posted by eric_c

When it comes to asking about levels of 'activity' at a club, starters in races is something you can measure, it's on most clubs' websites . Participation in organised training is less public, but again something that can be found out.  Boats out sailing casually are much harder to quantify, but I've often found  clubs to be pretty quiet when there's no racing or formal training going on. So many boats only afloat a dozen times a year or less.


Cruising is often a victim of the safety culture…..people can’t or won’t sail unless there is safety cover. Safety cover is often only provided during racing.
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… which is why I never resented the ‘apparently’ high fees at my old club

We had professional safety cover through water opening hours, and the personal cost is soon amortised in the event of gear failure or injury

TBH- the fees were bloody good value compared to most other leisure activities I’ve done
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by eric_c

When it comes to asking about levels of 'activity' at a club, starters in races is something you can measure, it's on most clubs' websites . Participation in organised training is less public, but again something that can be found out.  Boats out sailing casually are much harder to quantify, but I've often found  clubs to be pretty quiet when there's no racing or formal training going on. So many boats only afloat a dozen times a year or less.


Cruising is often a victim of the safety culture…..people can’t or won’t sail unless there is safety cover. Safety cover is often only provided during racing.


Depends what you mean by 'cruising'.
Pottering about in F3 in a Wayfarer is pretty low risk.
Blasting around in a fragile high performance boat in F5 has a lot more potential for things to go wrong.
Conversely, in some places the biggest risk is ending up a long way from home if the wind dies.
People's attitude to requiring safety cover may be somewhat related to changes in boats and attitudes to how light a wind is worth going for a sail in, or what the upper end of 'enjoyable' is. As a kid, we had family beach holidays with a dinghy to cruise, but my Dad's ideas of 'cruising conditions' were more likely to need oars or an outboard than toestraps. these days, my idea of  cruising generally involves a boat with a built in cooker and a ballast keel. Many other people around here, if they're not going to race, they'd choose a board instead of a boat. Most board people are not expecting a safety boat.
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Some owners of water suitable for sailing specify a safety boat, Sandwell council who own the water where my club is, used to put a safety boat on every day, but due to cuts this was stopped.

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Inland the risk (if correctly dressed) is ending up a long way from home.

And whisper it quietly but the presence of a safety boat or boats covering a fleet rather than a couple of boats is no real mitigation against entrapment risks.
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Originally posted by eric_c

Many other people around here, if they're not going to race, they'd choose a board instead of a boat. Most board people are not expecting a safety boat.

My old board sailing club is still thriving, there is no organised club racing and the safety boat is only on the water during events. It's a bit of a walk back if you end up at the downwind end of the lake but it's perfectly doable.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by eric_c

Many other people around here, if they're not going to race, they'd choose a board instead of a boat. Most board people are not expecting a safety boat.

My old board sailing club is still thriving, there is no organised club racing and the safety boat is only on the water during events. It's a bit of a walk back if you end up at the downwind end of the lake but it's perfectly doable.


I can imagine ending up on the wrong side of a private reservoir could be worse than eding up on the wrong public beach. But all these things are more nuisance than life-threatening generally.
Good to hear people are making a go of a board club on a non-racing model.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

… which is why I never resented the ‘apparently’ high fees at my old club

We had professional safety cover through water opening hours, and the personal cost is soon amortised in the event of gear failure or injury

TBH- the fees were bloody good value compared to most other leisure activities I’ve done
It’s just a shame that the club doesn’t have enough members to be able to cover the cost of this professional safety cover and their severn Trent rent .  We were talking about small clubs like mine going under but this large club hasn’t made a profit two years in a row for over a decade and has to dip into its reserves every other year to keep going . It has to pay @ 30,000 a year to severn Trent in rent  and pay for professional safety crew for 364 days a year . Which for most week days is not used . If it wasn’t for the bar/events and sail training profits this club would be dead in the water already .  Ouch
And before tt rubbish’s this post , this information is public knowledge on their own social media. 


Edited by Grumpycat - 09 May 22 at 11:57pm
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