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    Posted: 26 Jun 21 at 5:45pm
Who .. except a few that are involved or who are commercially at risk really care anymore ?   Increasingly this is yesterdays fight surely ....
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Yes. There are newer and better boats in this section of the market. But none sell in the numbers or have the world reach as the ILCA/ Laser . Even the most successful of the new boats , the RS aero doesn’t come anywhere close. Unfortunately it will be the dominant singlehanded boat for at least the next two decades. After all what other class has a builder in China, South American ,Asia , Japan, Australia and multiple builders  in Europe ? 
When this all kicked off I really hoped it would mean the end of the ILCA/ Laser as the dominant singlehander and hoped the Aero and Zero would fill the gap. But all that happened for most of the world is that it’s reinforced its position . 
The UK is different, what with the long term success of the Solo and the impact of the Aero. For my part I also don’t have a dog in this fight , I enjoyed my laser sailing in the past but cannot see any way I would ever have another one. Fingers crossed a d zero will be siting in my boat parking space by the end of the year  Smile
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One part of the story has come to an end, Bruce Kirby has passed away, aged 92.
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Sad, but unlikely to make any odds. It may even worsen the situation as the ex-builder will probably seek to sever what ties are left and the family will be wanting to maintain intellectual rights.
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Originally posted by 423zero

One part of the story has come to an end, Bruce Kirby has passed away, aged 92.
Very sad to hear that, I look back on many happy years racing Mr Kirby's sailboat. Fair winds and following seas.
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It’s very sad . I spent many happy years sailing his simple boat first drawn on a napkin. 
But it won’t make any difference to the ILCA situation, all the important decisions have been made and set in stone. The class is stronger than it been in years.
All it means is he definitely won’t get the damages he won from LPE and associated companies which he was never doing to get anyway as Resgty has already made them bankrupt and closed them and all assets have been transferred to new companies.
The class is healthy and have loads of new builders.
LPE ( or what ever it’s call now) will continue sell boats to sailing schools/holiday centres and the odd private buyer who wants a very cheap boat . 
That’s the new reality.  Smile


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All fine until said private buyer who wanted a very cheap boat attempts to sell it on as a class-legal boat.  UKLA has taken steps to inform the junior feeder classes of the risk, but there will always be some kid's parent who knows better.
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Very true , but like all boat buying unfortunately, it’s buyer beware .

But going by the first one I’ve seen for sale on the dinghy and dinghy bits for sale it might not be a big problem .
It was clearly stated it was a laser and not a ILCA and everyone that asked about it, asked the right questions . But I still  suspect someone wide boy/ girl will still still try it on somewhere a long the way.
Tbh I don’t think the company (LPE ) is really interested in selling boats to individuals in this country . Not enough profit margin now they are no longer made in the uk . 


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The confusion certainly will come. After all, up to a certain date, my Laser would qualify as an ILCA? But past that date it won't?
What is the date? What happened to the numbering system? Am I relying on a small plate on the aft bulkhead? How do they differ? Can I sail my Laser in club racing? How about at my club Laser open? No? Then how come Fred can, my boat looks just like his? And why is it called an ILCA open when everyone is sailing Lasers?

Not sure I'd buy into that mess.

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And RIP Bruce Kirby, designer of one of the best beach toys ever.
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