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epicfail 
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 Topic: New BritanniaPosted: 20 Dec 20 at 6:24pm |
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There were some figures that showed Ineos is quick in a straight line but it's rubbish in the manoeuvres.
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GarethT
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Posted: 20 Dec 20 at 9:19pm |
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Watching the YouTube videos of all the boats training over the last month or so it was obvious even to my untrained eye that they were struggling to turn corners without touching down. Even when they left the windward foil in longer it would drop down the minute they lifted it.
No idea if it's foil design, systems, or technique/skill, but they must've known they have a problem for some time if an idiot like me could see it. |
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jaydub
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 12:17am |
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They look to have big foils that don't generate sufficient lift. One suggestion was that they have gone for a wide foil, but one with most of the area in the trim tab, which isn't where most of the lift is generated. Whether this is right or wrong is anybody's guess.
With only a few weeks to go to the challenger series, I would be putting any money on our boat, even if I was a betting man. Let's just hope they can make a significant step improvement. They need to!
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jcooper
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 7:30am |
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I read somewhere that AC competitors are only allow a limited number of foil design changes and the Ineos have used up most of theirs already......anyone know if that is true?
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GarethT
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 7:51am |
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That's certainly what Shirley R said on the commentary.
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ClubRacer
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 8:56am |
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They also said the lead time to make the foils is into the months so would be unable to make a new set anyway
Apparently the foils had to be locked in 5 days before the regatta so you couldn't change daily. Hopefully Ineos have some others in the lockers that are a little better. Or better yet hopefully its a displacement regatta!
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Chris_H
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 9:10am |
Max of 6 foils. A foil can have up to 20% change
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Chris_H
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 9:14am |
RITA2 was only launched Oct 16th....so not sure about ‘some time ago’ However, it is certainly looks like the boat now has problems that will be very difficult to come back from in such a short space of time
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Grumpycat
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 10:39am |
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Think the situation is they cannot make anymore totally new foils but they can alter the ones they all ready have . But the changes are relatively small and are controlled by the class rules .
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mole
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Posted: 21 Dec 20 at 12:20pm |
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I agree with all the sentiments here. Shame they have gone down the route of out and out speed to make a spectacle rather than a design that looks exciting and produces close(r) sailing. Also encourages or doesn't exclude so many contenders, although no AC campaign is cheap.
Also strange we are back to underwater appendages being the big talk, its back to the old days when the Aussies won the cup for the first time. Amazing to see the solution and getting these craft foiling and achieving the speeds in relatively low wind speeds, but it does not make great match racing and encourage sailing participation. It feels quite indulgent of the organisations, teams and sailors to go down this route. If they have low wind speeds this will be a non event. Hope Team Ineos, sort the boat and at least are able to mix it. Can you imagine a final coming down to the last race, the lead boat comes off it foils on the last leg with a few hundred metres to go and the chaser passes and beats them by seconds to the win and lift the cup? That's all we will remember. I'd rather have memories of ultra close racing amazing looking and performing craft with superb crews racing so close you can't predict what will happen. But when has that ever been part of AC racing in recent years? Edited by mole - 21 Dec 20 at 12:25pm |
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