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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Carbon mast with rigging 5.3kg (my M7 is 7.8 inc wires), North sail 4.4kg, rudder, stock, tiller and extension 4.1kg. Even accepting that my rudder is heavier than most* (AFAIK it is what was supplied with the boat) I can't see the all up sailing weight being less than about 85kg.
TBH I don't think we'll ever convince Graeme as he's been 'tainted by experience' in particular his windsurfing career (but there were some heavy old lumps back then too, the original Windsurfer hull was 21kg. But TBF his own brand, Mistral, built some of the lightest and most durable boards I've ever raced, in particular the original Competition Superlight and my old Equipe 2 (both were sub 13kg). * The rudder blade alone weighs 2.2kg, just weighed it as I was concerned it might have taken on some water it being much repaired but that sounds about right if a CB is 3.3kg. Maybe I need a lighter stock and a carbon tiller... The boat is 671 a Topper mk2.
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Blimey Sam - what is your rudder made of !? The other 'removed' bits are fairly standard so the only one with a lot of variance is likely to be the rudder. The modern centreboard is only about 3.0-3.3kg after all to give some context.... btw the M7's weight varied a lot as well - this was all to do with the age of the extrusion tooling at the point of production. We also noticed that carbon (and historically alloy) boom sections varied a considerable amount in terms of weight over time. Superspares had two different 'weights' of tube that were used, plus back in the Topper days (Mk1+2) you could end up with a really quite heavy 'generic' bit of carbon (nobody knew who made them either) and when Seldon tubes were used later they were somewhere in the middle. The carbon masts on the other hand were very stable and uniform .... I do suspect your rudder blade/stock though - there were some really 'horrible' lumpy ones way back. (but that has not been true for many years now ) I think GRF's real problem is he needs to put a few KG's on himself if he is to ever do more than dabble with a Blaze and get continually frustrated.... and/or find a better boat more suited to him. The Aero 7 is possibly as near as he will ever get in this world imo ... he just has to get on with it. (And his Blaze will sell within days ...)
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Do you mean mid to high 80's Mike? My Blaze carbon mast, boom*, sail and rudder weighs around 16.5kg so that would give an all up of 88.5kg (if my boat was minimum weight). The carbon mast is exactly 2.5kg lighter than the M7 so 91kg with the tin mast. Not complaining mind you, my Spice adds up to 155kg ready to sail (for context an RS400, with a quoted min hull weight of 88kg has an all up sailing weight, from the RS website, of 129kg) *I'm guessing the boom weight at 2.7kg, everything else is as weighed.
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Peter Barton ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
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Sail what you can carry; Windsurf, Moth, RS Aero, Cherub, 18' Skiff...
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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And there lyeth the problem all the time dinghy folk think like that, manufacturers will get away with substandard products, or if there are dozy class associations involved making them have to fill the bottom of their crafts with resin just to bring them UP to weight. I once had lunch at the Southampton boat show, around the time of the RS100 launch (having just bought one) I remember telling my lunch companion if someone launched an easy to sail single hander, sub 50 kilos all up, they'd kill it. I'll leave you to guess who that 'companion' was, but eventually he did and they did. Pity no-one else is listening. Single handed boats should not weigh more than their owners. Edited by iGRF - 18 Sep 20 at 3:35pm |
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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The Blaze minimum weight includes everything except the rig - ie as it would arrive at a championship event before being put together (when this may be checked !!) . So hull, wings, centreboard in hull, ropes and corrector weights etc etc - all that is excluded is mast, boom, sail and rudder.. Mid to- High 70's kg wise with a fully carbon rig and a bit higher with an M7 alloy one. Any boat built in epoxy (last 13-14+ years) is most likely be under the minimum weight limit without its added correctors. Better polyester boats also get close to the class minimum weight. Interestingly without the wing system and before fittings etc are added new hulls are generally around 51-53kg without the builder having to worry too much about long term durability issues.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Not sure where you've got that figure from but it's incorrect, Blaze hull with fittings, racks and centreboard is 72kg, all up with rig, sail rudder etc is probably around 90kg.
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ShipTease ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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The Aero does have a damn good handicap considering how light it is. The Blaze is difficult to sail to its full potential unless its flat water and 12 knots but in the right hands does stand a good chance. Perphaps you dont have the right hands or rig set up in your Blaze? They seem to go pretty well at our club against the Aero's. All up, 75Kg for a 4.2meter boat with racks seems pretty reasonable to me...
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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I'm sure you realised my comment was not meant to be taken entirely seriously
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Peter Barton ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
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Nice to hear of your interest! At lakes, especially smaller lakes like yours, the RS Aero 9 is that much more of a popular option. The flat water makes it easier (rewarding for effort as the breeze increases) and you will be accelerating nicely when the puffs and zephyrs hit (even at 92kg, you are still lighter all up than heavier boats). At Bowmoor nearby there is a really keen following for the RS Aero 9 and they are all very good! There are plenty of RS Aero sailors holding their own at around 90kg+, we have front of the fleet sailors over 100kg. As you are interested, RS currently have a BOATS2020 deal until Sunday. 40% off most accessories and 20% of additional rigs with new boats. 'Gravitating' is an apt word. With the RS Aero 7 being the largest fleet there is inevitably occasion where some sailors opt for the largest fleet for the biggest race. Conversely, some like to avoid that too. For home club PY racing and mixed fleet PY events that is not such an issue. We opened entry on Friday to the re-scheduled RS Aero 9 UK National Championships 2020 at Draycote on 10/11th Oct, part of the RS Aero UK Inland Champs. By the end of the weekend there were 60+ entries and 15 RS Aero 9s are signed up, which is great. There could be socially distanced big boys beers for RS Aero 9s in Dunchurch that Sat night, bought by anyone who welches down from the RS Aero 9 entry list to the RS Aero 7 at the last minute!
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