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    Posted: 13 Mar 15 at 8:32am
Although compared to a pair of studs and shinpads, it is quite expensive..... Just that things are relative and cheaper options than the main stream media views are available.

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DD, it looks like we (and many others) on the forum are actually quite similar in our thoughts, in that we both think it's a call for the individual club. Some of us were just addressing the minority who said that the only correct answer was to allow multiple rigs.

RS400C, the emphasis on reducing costs is because there are studies and surveys that indicate that cost (and perceived cost) is a major turn-off for newcomers. And as has often been noted, the stuff that gets attention on the web isn't the stuff that most people sail!   

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Good points ... I guess I would prefer it that entries in a series were separated, but that's probably a hangover from a fundamental assumption that series results reward consistency and participation. It would certainly not be reason for me to change clubs if they did facilitate transferring points between classes.
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I also think that reducing the perceived cost of the sport is a high priority but I do not agree with the direct link you then make to not allowing rig (boat/class) swapping within a series.

I also think that increasing participation is an equally valid goal If a particular Club thinks that the majority of it's members will engage with a series more by allowing multiple craft to score then they are better placed to judge that than me or anybody else not fully informed of their circumstances.

Remember that the culture at Clubs will vary greatly. For instance some are all shiny, shiny but equally some embrace the pottering and restoring of multiple older boats and why not let those to enjoy the benefits of their labours vs the benefits of wealth.

You could easily a couple of old boats for half the cost of a single rig xxro or Laser.

To be clear, I do think that for the purposes of scoring a race you should race under the rating for that boat. From then on it is admin call for the Club as they see fit.
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Originally posted by Chris 24....9

 
 
IMHO reducing the perceived cost of the sport is the top priority so ...
 


I don't think that really alligns too well with the attention given on here to every shiny new 'class' that comes along.
If it was about value for money, we'd be ignoring all these latest gizmos and getting on with racing in Fireballs, Lasers, etc...
New classes are all very well for those of us who can afford to write the value down very quickly.

Not that I'm against people with a few quid spending on boats they fancy, it's only what relatively ordinary people spend on dull cars, predictable holidays and chav weddings.
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Nope, I wasn't saying people should not be able to enter again with a different rig.  I was writing in reply to those who claimed that this was a simple issue, with one simple answer, and that the only answer was to allow multiple rigs.
 
It's very arguable that this is in fact a very complex issue. It's not as simple as saying "grow up, life's not fair" because that attitude can be used to support either side of the debate. You can say "life's unfair, bad luck if you couldn't organise a Merlin crew this weekend, or aren't strong or good enough to handle a gale under full rig" and it's just as valid as saying "life's unfair, bad luck if you can't afford the second rig needed to stay competitive."
 
IMHO reducing the perceived cost of the sport is the top priority so I favour no rig switching unless there's a significant penalty. IF others differ that's fine, but for them to imply that their opinion is the only valid one is something else.
 
 


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  However, that completely ignores the fact that if you have a highly competitive class of reasonably high standard, then victory is likely to go to the person who buys an extra rig <u style="line-height: 15.27272605896px;">of a different class<span style="line-height: 15.27272605896px;"> if that is allowed.</span>



I know the social equality sh*t proves good forum fodder, but if you check my opinion you'd see we're in rough agreement... It shouldn't be allowed- different class (for clarity 'boat' not 'social') different entry.   

where's the harm in that, or are you really advocating that people shouldn't be allowed to enter the series again with say a radial rig? (If it proves a real problem, reduce the discards)

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I see Duncan's been edit happy yesterday, he must be embarrassed about something.... #sockpuppet #fail
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Ooh, lemon and herb....pretentious club that one
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Originally posted by Rupert

Once past the nonsense, I think TT and I are saying much the same. Sail what you like, when you like, just don't expect to get lots of pots at the dinner dance.

Precisely. I don't see what is so controversial or threatening about that view.
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