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    Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 8:46pm
But Rupert this isn't a squad issue this is just the gullibility of a large percentage of sailors who believe all the sales hype. As we have discussed ad infinitum, most sailors in the UK do not train we simply rock up at our clubs and take part. For us the performance increase from the latest must have rig enhancement can provide is miniscule in comparison to just practicing a bit more. What it highlights is the desire for your average sailor to want to keep up with the Jones's and have the latest kit as I guess it gives them a warm feeling inside and a sense that they are taking their sport seriously by spending more on it, but it's largely all for nothing.

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This isn't a new problem, of course. I had a very old, overweight Cadet, and most of the other boats were nearly new and all tricked out. Attitude was I was wasting my time. I sailed Fireflies instead, and am pretty wary of the whole system now. But I can see that it doesn't have to run like that, and it really needs good training at clubs to keep sailors, unless they really are determined to join the squads. It shouldn't be that joining a squad is the only way of getting decent training.
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It is human nature that expectations inflate. If my dad had a wooden mast I want an alloy one and my child wants a carbon one. It is good to expect more, it drives us forward. But it does push prices higher and higher, faster than simple inflation. And eventually therefore becomes unaffordable.
However, when Topper introduce cheap rotomolds they get scorned at an d told they're it proper boats!
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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Does he sail now? What do you think?


Answer 1) No, he got fed up with being teased and told off about his old boat that he couldn't stand it, and gave up sailing as soon as he could

Answer 2) Yes, by sailing an old boat and doing well, he was able to survive the transition from bank of mum and dad to the real world of sailing whatever you can afford.
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Option 1)
And people keep disagreeing with me that squaddie stuff like this puts 'em off. I'm unsurprised but sorry to hear it but thank you for sharing

I'm beginning to think I should persuade the RYA to give me an over-paid job as a champion of club sailing so they can at least give a nod to one of their (ignored) obligations. Two problems: (1) i would n't half annoy them (2) I'd spend all weekend driving around the country as opposed to sailing


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My last boat cost me £56.
the same, but different...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 7:14pm
Twin spiro mast fitting: REALLY !?!?
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Moth bits are expensive - clever, light, strong, low friction etc etc, but £343.06 ( + postage from AUS ) for a wand pivot?
http://www.sailingbits.com/class-specific/moth-bow-mechanism/

http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk
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I had a look at the megastep on the ovington oppie at the dinghy show. It was so stiff that even I couldn't adjust it so how would my 7yr old daughter be expected to use it? The whole sailing industry is full of needless expense for adjustability that simply isn't needed. Stamaster lowers on 700s, bottle screw adjusters on 29ers! Why? They are one designs, why add cost and complexity?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Does he sail now? What do you think?


Answer 1) No, he got fed up with being teased and told off about his old boat that he couldn't stand it, and gave up sailing as soon as he could

Answer 2) Yes, by sailing an old boat and doing well, he was able to survive the transition from bank of mum and dad to the real world of sailing whatever you can afford.
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