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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Whilst I tend to agree that the 'activity' of sailing is unlikely to go away, what I do fear for, is the "sport' of sailing rather than the 'pastime' it represents and to most of us on this forum, it is the 'sport' that defines our interest.
So our problem is more the continued promotion of the competitive aspects and the need to deal with all the 'problems' that surround it, not wishing to have this thread descend into another PY discussion, those of us that are at the sharp end of club promotion do have a vested interest in the perception of fair and interesting competition, particularly at the lower skill levels. If we are going to maintain our interest, it is important that in this dumbed down age, things are easier to understand and a more 'instant access' approach is considered to the 'product' we are all effectively selling. So an occasional 'coming together' wether it be by forum, virtual or actual, or conference of club officers as I think someone mentioned back a bit earlier in this thread. I'm not sure the Dinghy show is the right venue, I don't know about everyone else but my show is still for selfish purposes wether to see exciting new kit or meet folk I haven't seen for a bit and chew the fat. I really think an annual water based get together wether to appraise new gear, or talk about yardsticks, or tuition methods, or other mutual interests would be of some help. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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time to see if you can raise a capital leasing arrangement on a fleet of Aeros or Zeros then? You can't get much simpler.... pull the sail up (whichever one you want based on the conditions), go racing....
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iiiitick ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 14 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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Well, do we define sailing as a sport? If we have new family members appear at the club we do not push racing. However if said family turns up and proclaims a lack of interest in competition...then we know they will not last. They may be good for one or two years of flapping an old GP round looking at the view but soon they will be off to the sunny uplands of cricket or horses. Racing is what keeps us going, be it against your old mates at home or further afield in championships or opens.
We are a racing club, that is why we are there, that is what supports our membership. Does Sport England money help? Probably not much, the showers are better and we have mains electricity. Life is more comfortable but does it encourage new members? Probably not.
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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Couldn't agree more James, draycote is a club that's transformed its self in so many ways in recent years. Especially if you want class racing, it's with out equal in the area. My only concern for it is, can it afford to continue as a pay to play professional type club? It's been a few years since it made a profit, you cannot keep dipping into reserves for ever. Edited by ex laser - 08 Jan 15 at 11:49am |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Actually the club made a small profit last year as I understand it... and most of the historic loses occurred with off the water activities.... namely a loss making / subsidised bar, outsourced training, poorly attended opens for classes who weren't represented in membership etc. Again all revenue streams which have been totally turned around by the current committee.
It's also not a pay and play club in the full sense (e.g. Whitwell at Rutland) and has recently introduced duty man to streamline the sweat equity each member is oblidged to put into the running of racing (if they use racing). You cannot windsurf on day tickets at weekends either.... and the windsurfers have histrorically done their own thing regarding working parties etc, which is why there was car park issue a few seasons ago- now resolved satisfactorily imho. There are of course professional administration and rescue services, both fundamental to deliver a quality of service the membership have come to expect. The training is back in-house and self financing. In fact it's a net contributor in fiscal terms and membership gain. I think I've been clear on the Rescue Facilities (and water management) - they are excellent, professional, friendly, consultative and combine to make an open water location one of the most benign sailing environments I've ever experienced. I have my own views on the duty aspects which don't necessarily fall in line with current policies, (which are designed to encourage volunteerism and that aforementioned 'club spirit') but taken in the round, the club pretty much operates like any other amateur corinthian sailing club - that being a small committee do a lot of hard work for a large membership, and slightly larger core make things happen on week-to-week basis for those who want structured sailing (racing). You are quite right- the class racing remains very, very attractive. The growth in the Laser fleet has been achieved with minimal loses to other classes. Sure, there's been a slight hit in the handicap racing numbers, the Dart 15 is also a tad responsible there, and it's with regret that some of us didn't stick it with the 300 and make that something more permanent. There's currently no singlehanded fleet for the guy who has had enough of his Laser sailing... But we all live and learn- there's a newish chap heading up the handicap side of things, taking a much more 'come out and play' approach, rather than serious racing; which I think should appeal to some, especially newcomers and returners. I don't think anyone is deluding themselves that handicap racing is the sharp end of the club offering- if anything, softening it up, making it more accessible is probably the right approach. The acid test will be come the spring, expecting too much now in the middle of winter is not a good benchmark. It's a good patch of water, the best around here anyway. And I really struggle to find it any more or less cliquey and unfriendly than many other sailing clubs I've visited or been a member of.... they're all much of a muchness I'm afraid, as are most sports and social clubs!
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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Glad to hear things are all in hand, James.
Do disagree with your last sentence though. My personal experience with different clubs has been that they can be very different. Edited by ex laser - 08 Jan 15 at 12:17pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Draycote does sound like a nice place to be. Most clubs do, really, which is, I guess, why my life revolves around sailing.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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sorry, I'm not being clear... in anthropological terms it would be highly abnormal for a social group to not sub-divide into cliques and sub-groups. I don't see Draycote as any different from any other club or society that I have witnessed (indeed 'studied' many moons ago) I do agree with you that sailing clubs can carry a different vibe from one another- which may suit one person more than someone else.
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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With triplet daughters to contend with I know that I can't afford to buy three sets of proper sailing apparel, so PE kit, BA and thin anorak is probably what mine will be using. That is exactly the kind of kit that I used to have when I first learnt to sail in the late 70s. The difference then was that most boats you sat in rather than on (eg. Mirror) so you got much more natural protection than from the elements. I also remember never really going out unless it was nice whether, but nowadays family life seems to have be so pre-planned it is very difficult to change plans.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Wouldn't it be better to de-risk the first few sessions by going to a sailing centre that could provide wetsuits and some Teras or Picos? We don't live in the 70's anymore and no one's heard of Swallows and Amazons.... wooden boats, wooly jumpers and Douglas Gill spray-suits have their place, just not with newbies and kids imho.
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