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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I like the distinctiveness of the names, and the concept of fitting the 3 sails to one mast/boom, though I'm amazed you have managed to get decent balance on all 3. The advantage of a centreboard, I guess, in that you can bring the CLR back when the wind picks up, and a mast that can be raked fore and aft.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Rupert
Drop into Burghfield again some time and have a go yourself – if it is breezy .. or if it light- it does not matter. Mike L. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Amazing that the Fire doesn't require more rake or the mast foot moving aft compared to the Blaze. The c.p. must be further forward. You don't find yourself heeling it more to get the helm feel?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I always felt the foils on the blaze I had, had much to be desired in light winds, they do OK once they get a march on, (by which time I'm in irons anyway)and someone weighty enough to keep it upright, so I wonder if that has much to do with it.
They also were just adopting a 'floppy rig' technique which can't be right, but it did prove to be faster - allegedly. There's a possible groundswell of Blaze movement in the upper echelons of our club, if it happens (one of our really good guys has a knee injury and is considering one) then the Fire could also have some appeal, so I'm intrigued as to how it progresses. |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I think the appeal to me at least with the 'Fire' was the bit where it gets built down to weight, 'they' are also very heavy in standard form, just like about every other damn boat out there. We had a Blaze v EPS face off on sunday, I pulled out my footstrap he broke his kicker strop (much later on when in what I reckon would have been a commanding handicap lead, I don't think I could have held him and only the two Contenders were ahead as the wind built sufficiently for them to wire.
His however was considerably heavier than mine to recover to its trailer, and these days, that's more important. Edited by iGRF - 29 Sep 14 at 2:45pm |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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Mike - does the Blaze (and derivatives) have on-the-fly shroud and forestay adjustment (Phantom style) or it fixed/fast pin only adjustment?
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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You can have an adjustable forestay if you want one. The mast rake never changes so no need to adjustable shrouds. FWIW I fitted and adjustable forestay to mine. I never used it and took it off 6 months later.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Greame
I know it is 'heavy' ... we deliberately plan and build all hulls that way ![]() The target for 'joined and trimmed' for the Blaze is in fact just 51kg - a comfortable weight even given the size of the hull. We add foils, rig (which is actually very very light) and in the case of standard Blazes a full telescopic wing system... and then we add correctors for Blaze. I cannot remember the EPS official weight but the one Laser loaned my for a few weeks years ago was ... not exactly what I would call light even then. You must remember most old boats do and will have got heavy through moisture absorbtion, I'm especaily talking about polyester examples sailed on the sea. Most don't use the stuff these days but there are plenty of existing dinghies built of the stuff still out there. Today it is more often vinylester or epoxy (in fact Cirrus has always used these two alternatives although the early Blazes supplied by Topper were Polyester). Part of the justification was to avoid this issue.... however if you know what you are doing you can often get a bargain and dry out old polyester hulls getting them back to their original fighting weights ! Anyway we have built a specific 'Fire' hull as you know ... but I'll leave you guessing on the weight until it is Y&Y tested - and as you expect it is somewhat lighter. Our early assessments with target group testers is however that they mostly prefer to retain the leverage of the standard Blaze (even when it carries the weight penalty that entails). For those with less upper body strength than 'regular guys in their prime' comfort, leverage and very light sheet loadings are what they really value. Remember we are primarily looking at the young(er). old(er), light(er) and females out there who don't sail Blaze (or Halo) today. We are not after the 'Fuller Shilling' as I've said already but you are always welcome to try one of our boats if the urge grabs you .... Mike L. |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Why not Paul? Would it not give better running angles by letting the rig go forward? Would it allow you to depower the rig upwind like on a phantom?
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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