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    Posted: 04 Dec 13 at 9:47am
Hmm yes traveller, have tried twice to fashion some crude device, once out of kite chicken loop rope and more recently out of a bit of garden hose, which I found to my general disquiet was not long enough so the traveller kept getting stuck on the wrong side, not that it matters much I generally sheet the boom in by hand and stand up for better effect in those conditions, like proper sailing.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by NickM

Graeme, Solos are indeed quick in light winds. Something to do with the (relatively) large sail and fully battened rig which helps to keep in shape when the wind won't do that for you. Downwind in a drifter they will keep up with pretty much anything.

But in over 12kts you may struggle to sail it anywhere near handicap unless you are over about 80kgs or have a flatish sail. Get an old wooden one and use it on the lake. You will probably find it is under weight too.


The thing is, on paper, boat length, sail size, it shouldn't be anywhere near the EPS, however badly I might be sailing it. Nor are full batten sails renown for light wind performance, the fact was he wasn't just ghosting he was visibly faster, he would have won clean overall if I hadn't gotten in his way, I'm no slouch in those conditions, so it can only really be to do with the underside of the hull as I see it, which could also be why it shoves so much water around when it's windy. The smart money you would think would have been on the nearly new boat, Mildred, crisper sail, younger, presumably stiffer hull one would imagine lighter as well.

It's a bit of a deep V hull isn't it, I've not seen one flipped over, but being designed to be built in ply I assume there's a keel and ribs and the rocker is preformed by the keel, he didn't seem to be heeling it over like the rest of us had to, not only to reduce wetted area, but to keep form in the sail.

I have a big old soft sail now, that should work better in light air, helps me come out of the transitions better without all that thrashing at the boom to get the battens to pop, I didn't notice him having to do anything like that. I made the mistake of fitting a tapered batten in the one full batten that does resist, but nowhere near what the full batten sail is like. I probably made a mistake in applying to much kicker it's the only way I can flatten it off and get the mast to bend (being a gnav) banging loads of Cunnigham is not what I'd tend to do in light air, nor did the Solo appear to have much either and it has those slack shrouds, it's the second time I've come across them, slack shrouds were all the rage in Blazes ever since Steve Cockerill toasted them with a set, although my more likely guess that was the sailor not the settings, it's very difficult to sift through the facts in all this.

Solo has a traveller, so leech tension can be controlled with the mainsheet and traveller with minimal kicker and cunningham input if so desired.  It really is a sailmaker's dream of a boat... I guess that's one of the reasons they generally gravitate towards them and their jockey's can be seen at the front of the fleet.
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Originally posted by NickM

Graeme, Solos are indeed quick in light winds. Something to do with the (relatively) large sail and fully battened rig which helps to keep in shape when the wind won't do that for you. Downwind in a drifter they will keep up with pretty much anything.

But in over 12kts you may struggle to sail it anywhere near handicap unless you are over about 80kgs or have a flatish sail. Get an old wooden one and use it on the lake. You will probably find it is under weight too.


The thing is, on paper, boat length, sail size, it shouldn't be anywhere near the EPS, however badly I might be sailing it. Nor are full batten sails renown for light wind performance, the fact was he wasn't just ghosting he was visibly faster, he would have won clean overall if I hadn't gotten in his way, I'm no slouch in those conditions, so it can only really be to do with the underside of the hull as I see it, which could also be why it shoves so much water around when it's windy. The smart money you would think would have been on the nearly new boat, Mildred, crisper sail, younger, presumably stiffer hull one would imagine lighter as well.

It's a bit of a deep V hull isn't it, I've not seen one flipped over, but being designed to be built in ply I assume there's a keel and ribs and the rocker is preformed by the keel, he didn't seem to be heeling it over like the rest of us had to, not only to reduce wetted area, but to keep form in the sail.

I have a big old soft sail now, that should work better in light air, helps me come out of the transitions better without all that thrashing at the boom to get the battens to pop, I didn't notice him having to do anything like that. I made the mistake of fitting a tapered batten in the one full batten that does resist, but nowhere near what the full batten sail is like. I probably made a mistake in applying to much kicker it's the only way I can flatten it off and get the mast to bend (being a gnav) banging loads of Cunnigham is not what I'd tend to do in light air, nor did the Solo appear to have much either and it has those slack shrouds, it's the second time I've come across them, slack shrouds were all the rage in Blazes ever since Steve Cockerill toasted them with a set, although my more likely guess that was the sailor not the settings, it's very difficult to sift through the facts in all this.

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Graeme, Solos are indeed quick in light winds. Something to do with the (relatively) large sail and fully battened rig which helps to keep in shape when the wind won't do that for you. Downwind in a drifter they will keep up with pretty much anything.

But in over 12kts you may struggle to sail it anywhere near handicap unless you are over about 80kgs or have a flatish sail. Get an old wooden one and use it on the lake. You will probably find it is under weight too.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Well one minute I'm wanting an easier strong wind boat, and I thought Solo, then I witness this travesty and there's one for sale someone suggested I try, so you kind of get sucked in, then luckily I hear rumours of new Punks at the dinghy show and there's that RS to also check out so I shall not be committing to anything, but maybe I should sit in one and give it a try, will I suddenly become like the man drinking from the wrong grail cup and age rapidly then die?

While you're in the mood to try things, try a Byte CII, should be ideal for you .... And not as pun laden as a Soslow 
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what it is about a bloody Solo that a)Attracts allegedly 100 new boat sales a year, b)makes it so fast in light air even old wooden things & c)Attracts helms like Geoff Carveth who once upon a time had the skill set and self respect to compete in a proper class.(Mistral One Design) 

I know you are really just trying to wind people up, but surely there is a pretty major contradiction between your complaint that "it's too fast" and suggesting that only those with no self respect would sail them?Are you perhaps being teensy weensy bit closed minded about the Solo?

Never owned or sailed one myself. But I've just sold a Contender and bought a Devon Yawl, so probably due a fair bit of flack  Smile
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Try one Grumpf, you might be pleasantly surprised. I know I was.....
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Originally posted by Rupert

New Punks at the Dinghy Show? Where did that come from?

Rumour, conjecture, just trying to flush him out..
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No, it's not April fools, that's the day I announce I've bought a Merlin, this is wondering what it is about a bloody Solo that a)Attracts allegedly 100 new boat sales a year, b)makes it so fast in light air even old wooden things & c)Attracts helms like Geoff Carveth who once upon a time had the skill set and self respect to compete in a proper class.(Mistral One Design)

Just what does a Solo do to a man?

There is only one way to find out I guess..

But I haven't quite just yet.

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