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    Posted: 25 Jul 13 at 1:26pm
While these things are low maintenance, in many cases they have a short life.
That's fine for commercial operators who write things off over a few seasons, but the private buyer might be better served buying a slightly more expensive hull that will still have some residual value after 10 years or whatever.
The hull moulding is not that big a proportion of the cost of a modern dinghy.
 
People might be relaxed about dragging a roto-boat up the beach, because it doesn't look any different afterwards, not having a high gloss surface etc.
But when it's a few years into UV degradaton and a stone goes through it, it's not an amateur repair job like simple GRP. I've seen a few canoes junked for holes that would be an evening with £5 worth of materials for me to fix if they were GRP.
 
I've nothing against cats, but isn't there already a vast array of makes and models to choose from? What's actually new here?
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Originally posted by RS400atC

What's actually new here?


maybe a question someone from RS might care to answer in due course.... 
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Originally posted by RS400atC

What's actually new here?
 
RS are selling them...
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I am no longer so sure about all this roto predudice. A lady at our club who is possibly an even worse sailor than me bought an RS Qba last season. Didn't we all laugh, we did! "Not a proper boat, boat for kids, waste of money etc." In fact it was cheap, and we were forced to retract our criticism when she sailed it. It is fast and easy. I have trouble shaking her off and when someone proper has a go it can win races on its stupid PY.  It is obviously a good design but would it have been better in FRP ? I doubt it.
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I've got very little proffesional experience when it comes to thermoplastics. The trade mags and journals that flit across my desk keep describing them as "promising" when it comes to being used for large structures.
There seems, as yet, very little actual progress. They do require high temp moulds, and any pre-preg type system would either require a solvated or very high temperature film and impregnation system- though from what peaky says this sort of exists. Havign reinforcement fibres though is definitely key to making something beyond "beach toys".
For getting costs down though we've done a lot of work on low temperature curing room temperature stable thermosetting resins for prepreg- these are resins that will happily sure at 80°C (so moulds can be cheap) with a few weeks of shop life (so less freezer storage required)- our primary product now is M79. However, as we're not Gurit (who don't have a resin system that quite matches this) we don't do the low gsm fabrics/UDs that boat building requires; all our industrial output goes on high volume stuff for wind turbines. Boat building's too tiny a market for us to get involved in.
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A boat is good boat when it gets people out there sailing and it doesn't matter what it is built from. If it's rotomoulds that people like the look of so be it, if it's wooden lumps so what? It doesn't matter.

Al's last line days it all about plastics, for a long time to come out isn't going to be cheap enough for manufacturers to bother with for dinghies and this is a low volume niche sport.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

A boat is good boat when it gets people out there sailing and it doesn't matter what it is built from. 

+1 and +1 to iTick too!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by maxibuddah

A boat is good boat when it gets people out there sailing and it doesn't matter what it is built from. 

+1 and +1 to iTick too!!!!

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Not wrong that plastic Hobie's dominate in the Caribbean.

For the record all the Cats at Nonsuch Bay are GRP Hobies. Caribbean resorts on the leeward side of the islands get away with rotomold versions... fit for purpose for drifting around in a wind shadow where most of the time they need to be sailed by a novice. For a resort on the windward side where the Trade Winds are 12 to 20 knots day in day out for most of the year, and guests have made the trip specifically for the sailing we assume that only a GRP cat is up to the job in terms of stiffness.

Slightly different when it comes to dinghies which perform adequately in the stronger conditions.

We'll be very interested to see if the RS Cat has the right ingredients. If its stiff enough and user friendly, it might be a serious option for lightweight crews..... Like other RS rotomolds it certainly looks a lot more serious than just a toy.  
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Hi Mark,

Can you clarify what windsurfing facilities you guys have?  I've seen there's a lot Mary Poppins activity going on, but for those of us who like to pole dance as well as mince around in RS boats, what facilities do you have?

cheers

Jimbo

p.s. is there a Y&Y forum discount for Easter 2014? 
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