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    Posted: 16 Jan 13 at 11:11pm
Originally posted by Ian29937

Originally posted by RS400atC

The 2000 CA seems to provide an awful lot of events for a £15 sub.
Compared with our schedule and sub....
 
But they probably have to do all the admin themselves whereas the RS Association have a number of paid elves to arrange what the individual classes want...


And some unpaid, under-appreciated Gnomes!

Or do I mean Trolls?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

As the only fleet racing to be had at WSC nowadays is in 2k's, I have several times tried to bite the bullet and persuade myself to buy one.

I convinced myself that with all my experience I shouldn't capsize that often, so I could live with the capsize behaviour.

I convinced myself that although it was a lump to pull up the beach, other class members would help, as indeed I see them doing for each other.

But I could never get over the fact that there are aspects of the boat I don't like that I am not allowed to bimble away because of the strict one-design status.

For example, to sail it properly, you need to sit well forward - at least one body-width further than the deck/mainsheet system would suggest, so as a helm you are forever negotiating the centre bridle.  I'd like to switch that for an aft bridle but am not allowed to by the class rules. I'd again like to ditch the centre jammer and use off-the-boom sheeting. Cost again almost zero but again not allowed.

Going upwind, you crank on kicker and get uncontrolled mast bend.  I'd like to put lowers on à la 3k, but am not allowed (for racing anyway, though they are actually recommended for the cruising trapeze option).  I'd also like to beef up the kicker, but guess what...

These changes would cost almost nothing and would make the boat appreciably more satisfying to me, but the anally tight class rules just don't allow anything - a few years ago, they even had a big debate over whether you could use spliced Dyneema for the bridle (happily, now allowed).

I know all about the benefits of one-design racing, but really, I want to sail a boat that satisfies me, not one that is "just as bad as the next man's".

This and so many other posts prove that one man's meat is another man's poison.
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Originally posted by SoggyBadger

The saddest thing about the 2000 is the gennaker. On a boat that's not must faster than a Wayfarer? That really is lipstick on a pig. 


There is a need for such boats, to teach people so they can sail RS400's. ;-)

But seriously, it makes the boat interesting to sail.

The downside is that it appears to be a cross-cut thing that distorts rather quickly.

I don't like the over-tight rules either. The RS boats tend to be more sensible, although there are a few things I'd change....
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Originally posted by Jamesd

QUESTION:
are there hot chicks racing 2000s? Whats the tits and boobs situation?
Or is it old embarrassingly dressed men sailing with their kids?
Never really seen much of the class if i'm honest so is a genuine question  
 
LOL LOL LOL
Loving your honesty! LOL
 
Others may scoff, but it is an important factor (if you're young and single). 
 
Back in '95 when I was sailing Laser 2s (big circuit back then Cool) I went off to the Nationals at Plymouth a happily single man, and came back having met The Fortunate One and a prize presented in front of 100s for the Romance of the Week (was anyone else from on here there that week?)
 
They said it would never last, but she's still putting up with me.
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The saddest thing about the 2000 is the gennaker. On a boat that's not must faster than a Wayfarer? That really is lipstick on a pig. 
Best wishes from deep in the woods

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As the only fleet racing to be had at WSC nowadays is in 2k's, I have several times tried to bite the bullet and persuade myself to buy one.

I convinced myself that with all my experience I shouldn't capsize that often, so I could live with the capsize behaviour.

I convinced myself that although it was a lump to pull up the beach, other class members would help, as indeed I see them doing for each other.

But I could never get over the fact that there are aspects of the boat I don't like that I am not allowed to bimble away because of the strict one-design status.

For example, to sail it properly, you need to sit well forward - at least one body-width further than the deck/mainsheet system would suggest, so as a helm you are forever negotiating the centre bridle.  I'd like to switch that for an aft bridle but am not allowed to by the class rules. I'd again like to ditch the centre jammer and use off-the-boom sheeting. Cost again almost zero but again not allowed.

Going upwind, you crank on kicker and get uncontrolled mast bend.  I'd like to put lowers on à la 3k, but am not allowed (for racing anyway, though they are actually recommended for the cruising trapeze option).  I'd also like to beef up the kicker, but guess what...

These changes would cost almost nothing and would make the boat appreciably more satisfying to me, but the anally tight class rules just don't allow anything - a few years ago, they even had a big debate over whether you could use spliced Dyneema for the bridle (happily, now allowed).

I know all about the benefits of one-design racing, but really, I want to sail a boat that satisfies me, not one that is "just as bad as the next man's".
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For those who haven't enjoyed a 2000 Open:
Active racing members of the fleet vary in age from 10 to 12 up to the mid 70's. ALL ages within that range appear at most Open Meetings (although the extreme ends tend to check the forecast fairly carefully!).
There were certainly 15 to 20 (APPROX) people aged 15 to 25 (APPROX) at the last Nationals. Whether that counts as "lots" or "not enough" will depend on what you are looking for!
ABOUT half the boats have a female helm or crew (or both).
ABOUT a third to half the boats will have two people from the same family sailing together.
ABOUT 90% of the fleet are extremely friendly and will welcome you whatever your standard of sailing... and we are working on the other 10%!

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Originally posted by Jamesd

i am trying to distinguish the age group really.
Is it full of younger/uni folk like the 200?
Certainly at our club the 2K is generally the last boat owned before moving to something with a keel on it. 
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Hey, no worries James. I'm not yet (or any longer) any of those groups, so I got away lightly! But I'm used to my six year old insulting me - every day he seems to come up with a new, and particularly cutting, remark!
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i guess i am presuming that as a boat hitting the middle of the weight range graph, it would be bloke and woman crew combination like the RS200 and really i am trying to distinguish the age group really.
Is it full of younger/uni folk like the 200?

Me not knowing much about the fleet is a bad thing that can only be helped by RS and the marketing they pump into the class. 
Hey like it or not, pictures of girls walking round garda in a bikini sells boats! 

....and Peaky, its far from insulting, i can take insulting to a whole new level!
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