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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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maybe Serben gave them a bit of advice after test sailing the boat..... you need dacron boys, Larry won't listen, but you guys should.
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Finn masts are available in multiple flex profiles- as is the RS Aero:
Working closely with a world-leading carbon fibre tube manufacturer (thelargest windsurfer mast and fishing rod manufacturer worldwide) we have produced the three rigs using a common top-mast and boom, yet radically differing stiffness bottom sections that are still compatible with the top-mast. The differing bend at deck level and stiffness of the three rigs ensure the boat remains well balanced, without resorting to a permanently pre-bent lower section for the smallest sail.
Now I'm not calling bullsh*t, but if you know much about windsurf masts, then it's the top section which usually has the most variety in stiffness- soft top, constant curve or hard top. Sail makers then cut the luff curve to suit the bend style of their preferred mast profile- it get's very technical on slalom circuits, there's even the IMCS system to measure mast bend for windsurfing gear. That RS statement basically reads to me 'fed up with bent alloy radial rig masts... bin your Laser' rather than anything with significant R&D credibility around rig design. AIUI- the reason for the top mast section varying it do with the twist off profile- gust response, then following that, leech tension. And we use varying downhaul tension depending on the rider weight... light sailors and heavy sailors conventionally using a lot more than medium weight riders, but for two very different reasons - one to depower, one to gain stability and wind range from carry a bigger sail. Calling Graeme- one thing's for sure, he knows not a lot about much in dinghydom, but on this topic (mast bend and luff tubes) he's one of the best researched windsurf race sailors in the country and his custom sails are something very special indeed.... Edited by yellowwelly - 03 Mar 14 at 3:23pm |
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Yes, it's clearer on the black sail below. It's dacron near the luff to help cope with the huge mast bend when the kicker's cranked on - the rest of the sail is laminate. ![]() |
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Telltale ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 May 12 Location: Cardiff Online Status: Offline Posts: 169 |
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Steve and Simon, thanks for the input, looks like the 100 is the same set up but it doesn't get RS out of jail, if they have a solution for it why not implement it?
Is this a better example? Byte C2 can't see any dacron here.
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C2 is fully battened.
The 100 is carbon, but has stays which limit the flex. I am sure that you could do something other than Dacron, but it worked well on the one I sailed, as Rupert said, has a long life and is a pretty easy step out of a Laser, which must be a consideration.
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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hell, even if it's just keeping the costs down why not at this price???
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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So there is moaning about it being Dacron but I'm sure there would be moaning if it was a Carbon sail adding an extra £800 to the price. |
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Needs to sail more...
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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There's moaning about them using specious bull**** when "we went with dacron as it will be cheaper and we can pass some of the saving onto the customer" would be well received.
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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What I got told on the stand was that the Dacron sail was more expensive than the Mylar equivalent.
Amongst a few other things that I chose not to really listen to. Dan |
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Telltale ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 May 12 Location: Cardiff Online Status: Offline Posts: 169 |
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There is no moaning about it being dacron, nor is there moaning about the price. It is the statement that you can't put anything other than dacron on a bendy carbon mast, just needs a bit of explaining. I am sure that the Halo had an original carbon set up before they went tin, I think the Icon did stuff with non tapered carbon masts as well, Simon has explained that floppy stayed boats or fully battened is do-able. So are we condemned to an opaque sail with an unstayed carbon stick, or is it a cost cover up as some are implying? Edited by Telltale - 03 Mar 14 at 4:50pm |
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