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    Posted: 11 Jan 12 at 7:42pm

It's all very well building to a price, but it helps if you include all the bits that were ordered and actually supply the boats equipped as ordered. For instance, if you're building to a price, and the customer specifically ordered boats without self bailers because in university boats they're a pain to maintain and not all that helpful in slow boats sailing short races, then why would you fit them anyway? Supplying the right number of spreaders would really help too. If you're building to a price, that's no reason to get things wrong- in fact, surely it helps to get things right?


Ahem. That was, admittedly, nearly six years ago. 

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I was actually quite unimpressed with the care taken by Ovi, sending a new boat out the factory covered in fibreglass dust, other dust/marks on the hull and generally not very clean or tidy just isn't good when you've spent that much IMO. It shows that the factory (as I've heard) isn't very clean itself, not good for boat building! 
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There is a reason Rondar haven't been mentioned! I personally haven't had a very good experience with their build quality recently on a team racing order of 6 fireflys.. 

I heard local gossip about a batch of overweight Fireflies.... including that the build was subbed out from Rondar... Can't substantiate, but used to drink in the same pubs...
 
Rondar have given good service in the past for repairs.


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I enquirered about a new boat from rondars and someone was ment to phone me back and never did!

Not very good practice!! Would of thought most manufactures would have been all over that. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Menace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 12 at 8:52pm
I'd actually prefer a bit of dust on a new boat than foils that delaminate or collapsing racks on first sails, leaky deck joins, sticky fingers when you run your fingers along fillets as the bog hasn't set, sharp bits of fibre glass coming off in your hands because it's all spikey and the laminator hasn't given a damn to lay it properly, an over weight boat that's been through an autoclave, a boat that has been painted and not faired properly, scalpel blades laminated into the structure, centre board holes cut and not sealed causing water to be absorbed through the laminate. The worst one is the phantom boat, being told your boat is being built and actually, it's the boat before yours that someone else has paid for and it never materialises. When you put it in that context, dust doesn't seem too bad..... 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 12 at 9:09pm
The wooden boats I have had, including two home builds (N12 and GP14 - not mine!) have always looked put well together with a fussy eye. With wood if it looks good it generally is. Wood lasts longer and although requiring more maintenance, if kept on top of will last longer, is easy to repair and will look better longer.

A few years back I can recall being shocked at the build quality of a plastic GP14 shown at Ali Pali. The Boon one this year looked lip-smacking. The Duffin - just good as always.

Anyway what is the life expectation for a circuit bashing one-design-ish racing dinghy before the hull *needs* replacing?  Ideally shouldn't a new rig on an old sound hull be able to win the nationals?  

Back to the question - the craftsmen small builders for me.

 
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Actually, I think my vote will go for Fairey Marine. They may have stopped building 40 years ago or so, but there are probebly more of their hulls around than most of the modern batch builders have ever produced.
 
As for a modern builder, maybe whoever it is who builds Fevas, Teras and Q'bas?
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I have had a few boats I have been really pleased with.

N12 Impact boats  8/10
N12 Nigel Waller 9/10
Rondar Firefly 8/10 (simple but effective build)
Couple of Laser asymmetries, 7/10, bullet-proof but heavy
18 foot skiff, 9/10 (had a hard life but was bullet proof, since been revamped and done very well down under)
Ent Ovi 7/10
Solution Ovi 10/10
N12 Winder 9/10
N12 Boatyard at Beer 11/10 just beautiful

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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 12 at 8:49am
we have a few Winner europes at Hunts now, all around 20-25 years old and still looking great.  Not overweight either, which is impressive for plastic boats.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Menace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 12 at 7:25pm
To clarify on my last post, all these examples were of rubbish boat builders that I would love to name, but don't want to get into legal wranglings about. The phantom reference had nothing to do with the Phantom class and was in the context of a boat which someone never recieved.
 
Instead of bitching about builders, I think it's more important to congratulate the good ones, as the bad ones fall away by the by. By far and wide, my favourite boat is the 49er Ovi built. The quality makes an good boat legendary, and for what it's worth, they'd be getting my money for a 14 too.
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