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gordon 
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 Topic: Laser Start?Posted: 17 May 11 at 12:49pm |
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To reply to several points:
- the last mark on a multiple lap or complicated course is the mark that is to be rounded last in the order defined by the SIs. Thus a course on a river that was Start, 1,2,3,1,2,3 Finish mark 3 is only the last mark the second time round - even if boats have to sail through the finish line to sail from 3 to 1. The blue flag is flown to show that the finishing line is open. - rule 44.1 does not allow a boat to take a 2 turn penalty for breaking rule 28 (not sailing the course. The only way to repair the error is to return and sail the correct course. - a boat that requests redress because they have been scored DNF or DSQ by a Race Committee that they have not sailed the score correctly should be reinstated. See Case 80 which deals with just such an incident. A hearing must be limited to the protest or request that is put to the jury. You cannot disqualify a boat for breaking a rule after a redress hearing. - there is no limit on the right of a boat to retire - in club racing a quiet word from the race committee and a request to be scored RAF is an effective and "lega" way of dealing with the problem. Merely scoring the bopat DNF or DSQ is neither effective nor legal Gordon |
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asterix
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Thanks - I agree with you - I realise now that penalty turns apply to Part 2 and that RRS28 is in Part 3.
But, I would still be interested to know how a protest under RRS 2 would happen and how it would be determined.
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RS400atC
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Posted: 17 May 11 at 1:32pm |
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Assuming there is no dispute as to what courses were actually sailed. If there is a dispute there needs to be a protest.
In the appeal case you refer to, I get the impression the appellant claimed to have sailed the course correctly. It's an old case, was the def'n of finish the same then?
I'd like to think no-one would go to appeal knowing they'd missed out a lap.
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gordon
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Posted: 17 May 11 at 1:40pm |
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Protests under rule 2 or hearings under rule 69 (both could be appropriate) would in this case be most often associated with another protest under rule 28.
If the protest committee establishes as a fact that a boat not only did not sail the course, but did so deliberately with the intention of gaining an advantage, then they may decide to penalise under rule 2, for having violated recognised principles of sportsmanship or fair play, or initiate a rule 69 hearing for the gross breach of a rule. The protest under rule 28 serves to establish the infringement. One advantage of rule 69 is that there is considerable flexibility in the penalty, which can vary from a warning to a life-long ban from sailing anywhere in the world. Gordon |
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JimC
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Posted: 17 May 11 at 2:00pm |
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What's the procedure for Rule 2 (and other fundamental rule) hearings? I just skimmed the rules and didn't see much (unlike 69). Are the time limits and notification the same as a part 3 protest?
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gordon
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Posted: 17 May 11 at 2:30pm |
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An allegation that rule 2 has been breachedshould be protested in the normal way.
However, much like rule 14, it will often be the protest committee that decides, in the course of hearing a protest, that rule 2 has been breached. Once a protest is declared valid, the protest committee establishes facts and decides, on the basis of those facts, which rule, if any, has been broken. They are not limited to judging if a rule invoked on the protest form has been broken. Indeed, it happens often that it is the protestor who ends up being penalised. Gordon |
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