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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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You can't actually replicate the Laser hull shape, there's intellectual property restrictions about that, but there have been any number of near Laser classes introduced in the past. They've all flopped dismally. |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Isn't the 8.1 an example of that? |
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Why should only the hull be subject to IPR? Why not the sail too? Or the rudder? And isn't the Alto the same shape as a 505, but with chines added? |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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It's a complicated area - and I'm not a lawyer but I necessarily have some professional interest in intellectual property law. It is, in general, legal to produce "spare parts" despite the original object being subject to copyright. See http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-design/d-policy/d-policy -spareparts.htm Sails would certainly be an example of a "spare part". The law in this area was designed to prevent a supplier abusing a monopoly position in after-sales spares supply. It's common to sell a base product at or near cost but sell spares at a high price e.g. inkjet printer cartridges, razor blades, car spares and maybe even SMOD sails. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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Someone told me at the dinghy show that they were making fake/replica Laser hulls now ... is that true? The hull would have to be the only part that could not be considered a spare part in the above analysis .... Edited by Guest#260 |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I hope they have a good lawyer then. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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If they have corrected the assymetry of the laser hull is it still a laser?
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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assymetry? Please explain
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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I've never come across a boat that was perfectly symmetrical in my life. I'd be astonished if the Laser was the odd one out. Its much easier in these days of CAD/CAM controlled tools, but in the old days making a plug that was absolutely fair and exactly the same each side was damn near impossible... |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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The laser moulds have all been taken from the original mould which for one reason or another had some assymetry in it. Effectively the port side of the boat is not quite the same shape as the starboard side. Unfortunately so many boats were made from the original moulds that they were unable to correct future moulds and retain the exacting one design standards expected in the class and therefore all the boats are wonky!
Many different people have used laser scanners to accurately computer model the LASER dinghy and all show the same assymetry. Edited by craiggo |
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