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craiggo
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Topic: GNAV v's KickerPosted: 12 Sep 08 at 1:41pm |
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Chris,
Thanks for providing your info on the Scorp arrangement. I first saw it I think back when I sailed at Elton SC. during my uni days but have only come into contact with newish Scorps only 1 since then (The Speed Sails works boat from a couple of years ago) and it has a conventional kicker. Anyway now I know my memory still works, I'll leave it at that. Paul |
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Ross
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Posted: 12 Sep 08 at 4:42pm |
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Gnavs just seem a bit rubish to me. If I was building a boat then a Temple vang or a 'dog leg' is what I would go for.
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 12 Sep 08 at 7:37pm |
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They have always seemed somewhat like an answer to a question nobody asked to me. Finns only really have two controls you won't find on a laser, the inhaul and the centreboard pennant (admittedly the traveller control is a lot more sophsticated). It's just they are all handily lead to the same place. I think the kicker (which allegedly has it's origins in model yacht racing from way back when) was secondary to the traveller when small blocks and ropes weren't as good as they are now, so the traveller was the way to do it. This has now been superseded by all those lovely modern systems with strong light blocks and nice ropes, leaving us with the traveller based boats being the ones with a long history which has left them with low booms (Finn, Europe) and other boats where you can see where the traveller used to be (420's, Solos) but it has since been replaced with a bridle or a shorter traveller.
I digress, and have started rambling... Carry on... |
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Iain C
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Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 12:16am |
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I'd heard kickers were invented way back when in the early days of bermudan sloop racing...some chap had a wire one that he'd put on before the start and then take off at the end, no-one really saw it and everyone was wondering why he always served them up some whuupass....
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alstorer
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Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 12:24pm |
You're thinking of Paul Elvstrøm, still officially the best Olympic Sailor ever- four golds beats three golds and a silver. He did indeed have a fully removable one to keep the invention secret. --- off topic bit He's also credited with inventing Toe Straps, the kick-down self bailer, and the Leeward Gate (instead of a single leeward mark). off topic bit --- |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 12:40pm |
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The Int 14s had vangs before Elvstrom got into sailing. They picked them up
from model yachts. This comes from my 70 year old copies of Uffa's books. There were some people who used to sneak around with them; just like they used to paint light wooden centreboards to look like heavy bronze ones and would then carry them, with 'great difficulty', through the rigging park. Hiking battens and (I think) hiking straps were used before Elvstrom, but he took it to a new level. |
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 1:22pm |
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Yes, I did notice his Wikipedia entry credited him with a few more innovations than he had claim to. Although that shouldn't detract from the ones he does have claim to.
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Posted: 14 Sep 08 at 10:30am |
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Gnav - fantastic idea. Powerful, reliable and gives the
crew more space. They also mean the lowers are attached higher increasing access to the foredeck. As for mast bend that is easily controlled by the lowers so you can have as much or as little as you like. The system on the 4000 also takes a lot of forces off the gooseneck. The only time mine has ever broken is when the crew jumped on it from the racks when the boat was on its side. I'm a convert. |
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