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    Posted: 12 Sep 08 at 1:41pm
Chris,

Thanks for providing your info on the Scorp arrangement. I first saw it I think back when I sailed at Elton SC. during my uni days but have only come into contact with newish Scorps only 1 since then (The Speed Sails works boat from a couple of years ago) and it has a conventional kicker.

Anyway now I know my memory still works, I'll leave it at that.

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Gnavs just seem a bit rubish to me. If I was building a boat then a Temple vang or a 'dog leg' is what I would go for.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Sep 08 at 7:37pm
They have always seemed somewhat like an answer to a question nobody asked to me. Finns only really have two controls you won't find on a laser, the inhaul and the centreboard pennant (admittedly the traveller control is a lot more sophsticated). It's just they are all handily lead to the same place. I think the kicker (which allegedly has it's origins in model yacht racing from way back when) was secondary to the traveller when small blocks and ropes weren't as good as they are now, so the traveller was the way to do it. This has now been superseded by all those lovely modern systems with strong light blocks and nice ropes, leaving us with the traveller based boats being the ones with a long history which has left them with low booms (Finn, Europe) and other boats where you can see where the traveller used to be (420's, Solos) but it has since been replaced with a bridle or a shorter traveller.
I digress, and have started rambling... Carry on...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 12:16am
I'd heard kickers were invented way back when in the early days of bermudan sloop racing...some chap had a wire one that he'd put on before the start and then take off at the end, no-one really saw it and everyone was wondering why he always served them up some whuupass....
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Originally posted by Iain C

I'd heard kickers were invented way back when in the early days of bermudan sloop racing...some chap had a wire one that he'd put on before the start and then take off at the end, no-one really saw it and everyone was wondering why he always served them up some whuupass....

You're thinking of Paul Elvstrøm, still officially the best Olympic Sailor ever- four golds beats three golds and a silver. He did indeed have a fully removable one to keep the invention secret.
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He's also credited with inventing Toe Straps, the kick-down self bailer, and the Leeward Gate (instead of a single leeward mark).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 12:40pm
The Int 14s had vangs before Elvstrom got into sailing. They picked them up
from model yachts. This comes from my 70 year old copies of Uffa's books.

There were some people who used to sneak around with them; just like they
used to paint light wooden centreboards to look like heavy bronze ones and
would then carry them, with 'great difficulty', through the rigging park.

Hiking battens and (I think) hiking straps were used before Elvstrom, but he
took it to a new level.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 1:22pm
Yes, I did notice his Wikipedia entry credited him with a few more innovations than he had claim to. Although that shouldn't detract from the ones he does have claim to.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 08 at 10:30am
Gnav - fantastic idea. Powerful, reliable and gives the
crew more space. They also mean the lowers are attached
higher increasing access to the foredeck.

As for mast bend that is easily controlled by the lowers
so you can have as much or as little as you like. The
system on the 4000 also takes a lot of forces off the
gooseneck. The only time mine has ever broken is when
the crew jumped on it from the racks when the boat was
on its side. I'm a convert.
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